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Suffering wife seeks support as her marriage (and life) gets put back together

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by Gamerwife85, Jun 27, 2015.

  1. xenomorphie

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    OMG you are so beautiful your hubby is lucky person(●´ω`●), i wish i had waifu like you who would be on my side
     
  2. Mj1064

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    I think we are 'cursed' by wanting to know the whole facts........and when we do....BAM! It's torture! When I found emails and messages my hubby sent to women, seeing that he spoke to them in the same manner he spoke to me, really hurt. The worst thing is I had a tattoo done on my wrist with 'Truly, Madly, Deeply' as that is how we always ended our emails when 'dating'. I thought it was 'our thing' but then saw that was at the bottom of the emails to these other women too. So I now have a tattoo that was once very special and is now just a reminder! Having said that.......he's now a month in to no porn searches and no chat rooms and things are good.
     
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  3. Mj1064

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    Bugger! I have been reading your journal over the last couple of days. You are going through sooooooooo much. This is as far as I have read so far so I'm hoping as I read on, things manage to improve for you somehow. I'm rooting for you both with your PMO recovery and cancer treatment.
     
  4. Mj1064

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    Yaay! That's great news. I'm so glad your husband seems to be doing well through all of this too.
     
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  5. Mj1064

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    You have a beautiful face. You don't look at all like you've been run over by a bus (that's how my friend used to describe how she felt after chemo for her breast cancer ....fully recovered now, I might add). I hope things continue to improve for you both.
     
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  6. Hi there, @Mj1064! Thanks for reading my journal and your comments. I totally agree with what you said about wanting to know all the facts. I was that way with my husband (@Garnadaan) when he disclosed his PMO to me back in June. It really, really, really hurt knowing every little thing but in the long run it was the best thing for us both and our mutual recovery.

    As far as the chemo goes, there are definitely days when I feel like I've been run over by a bus! When I took that picture the flush in my face was from the steroids I have to take. Those make me feel pretty good...sometimes a little too good. They hype me up and energize me, which can lead to a false sense of security. I'm glad your friend is fully recovered; I look forward to being able to say the same! Soon...but not soon enough!
     
  7. Hope everyone had a peaceful holiday (or if you didn't celebrate Christmas, hope you had a fun day off from school/work). Garnadaan and I were flying solo for Christmas this year; it was AWESOME. I'm so glad that my chemo got pushed back a week so I was able to be awake to fully enjoy the holiday! We slept in, stayed in our comfy clothes all day, played video games, and cooked a mini-feast of ham (in the slow cooker, which was delicious), green beans sauteed with bacon, rolls, my family's longtime recipe of JELL-O fruit salad, and apple pie. It was all yummy.....even with my diminished taste buds everything still tasted great!

    We both have been sorely needing a low-key, stress-free day given everything that's been going with PMO, the holiday retail season, and everything that goes along with my breast cancer. Christmas this year definitely fulfilled that need. It was great just being together, just the two of us. Lots of affection, cuddling, and the like...for me there were moments that, emotionally speaking, felt like how things were pre-PMO disclosure. Whenever I have a day where I wake up on the scared/paranoid/angry/sad side of the bed I really need to work harder on remembering the good days when we have them. Lately for me the bad days have been outweighing the good ones, and whenever I am in that negative head-space it gets so damned difficult to see the good days and focus on those good times. The thing I hate the most about the days where I get emotionally consumed by negative thoughts and/or I get triggered is that it makes it so hard to look to the future. I get so mired in the moment; I have a difficult time looking forward towards the future. Now, I'm hoping that when a "bad day" crops up for me next time I'll be able to tell myself, "Just think of Christmas." Hopefully that'll help. I know we both still have a long road ahead of us; it's important to make sure that I'm looking in the right direction on that road.

    Stay strong, everyone - especially my fellow PMO partners. Hugs to each and every one of you.
     
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  8. Mj1064

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    I don't know if you read my first thread but it was a bit different with us because I had suspicions about hubby hiding stuff, so I checked into website history, emails, Skype messages, phone contacts and Whatsapp, so I had 'ammo'. The constant 'need' for finding other women to chat to and watch on cam was bad enough but the deceit is what got to me. This website has been a total Godsend for me and enabled me to show him that it is (was?) an addiction. Since he wrote his first newbie thread though, we've come on leaps and bounds. He has totally changed his laptop habits. Fingers crossed :)
    I know my mate was up and down like a yo-yo whilst on her chemo. She found an online group to chat to of women going through the same thing. I think sometimes they could say things to each other that other people wouldn't dare. People don't really know how to react do they. It was like when my first husband died in a car crash, people just didn't know what to say to me, so when someone actually cracked a joke, it was really refreshing!! My mate had a mastectomy and reconstruction. She's now glad she's got boobs like a 20 year old again!! lol I hope your shitty days get surpassed by the good days more and more and I hope you and hubby continue on the right lines too :)
     
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  9. Thanks for the kind words, @Mj1064. You're definitely right about people being unsure how to react! Typically, the first thing people say to me is, "But you're so young!" I have to bite my lip to keep from saying something overly sarcastic like, "Yeah, ya think?"

    Hope things are going well for you and your hubby :)
     
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  10. Mj1064

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    Hi - we are doing really well thank you. He doesn't really journal much but he does log on now and then and comment, plus I read him bits I'm reading sometimes. He's watched more telly with me in the last month than during our marriage, I think. If he's not watching anything specific on his laptop, he now closes it and comes and sits with me. I'm still thinking of downloading Accountable2you - not because I think he's up to anything but more for me, to get my brain used to the fact he's not sneaking stuff behind my back. I guess the damage has been done, so it will take a while.

    I had people saying they remember the day of the crash coz it took them hours to get home coz the main road in and out of the city was closed! I very sarcastically apologised to them that my husbands death caused them to be late for their dinner! But then at work, there was a guy kept asking me "how are you doing for sex - you must be needing some by now. Just come and see me". Lol. He was hilarious!

    How are you doing anyway? Have you started your frazzle sessions yet? How's hubby coping with this on top of sorting his own head out?

    Off to make a coffee. I've gone 80 something days without smoking and I could really demolish one right now. Lol. Hubby is fast asleep on the sofa
     
  11. The past couple of weeks have been really challenging, cancer-wise. After my last chemo infusion I contracted C.Diff, a pretty bad bacterial infection. 10 days of antibiotics knocked it right out, thankfully. I also got the results from my genetic testing this week; I was tested to help assess risk of recurrence. I tested negative for some key genetic mutations that, if I'd tested positive for, would have affected the extent of my surgery. If a positive result came back I'd have opted to have both breasts removed instead of just the single one.

    The best news came after my latest mammogram/ultrasound. My oncologist had ordered one to check on the tumor and assess the extent of its reduction. Well, the chemo is certainly working! When I was diagnosed my tumor was 7 cm in size...as of Monday it's shrunk down to 2.6 cm. I cried when I saw the images...all the physical stuff that chemo is putting me through has not been for nothing. Garnadaan and I are over the moon.

    Speaking of Garnadaan, he's still going strong on the PMO front. He's gone 219 days PMO-free, no small feat. It hasn't been easy for either of us but he says I'm worth it and that giving up P and MO was an easy decision to make. :) According to him constant vigilance is key, which makes sense. Triggers are everywhere!

    As for me PMO recovery-wise, I've been having more and more "good days". I can't recall if I've mentioned this in one of my past entries but ever since June I've been having nightmares...really fucked-up ones. They covered everything from me walking in on Garnadaan having sex with the coworker he was attracted to, me dying from my cancer and Garnadaan bringing said coworker to my funeral as his "date", Garnadaan and I divorcing, and other stuff too messed up for me to bring myself to type it here; these nightmares always are vivid and are the type that feel like they're actually happening. When I have these nightmares I apparently stir in my sleep and Garnadaan wakes me up as well as provides comfort. I know that these things will NEVER happen, my brain has just been trying to fuck with me I guess. I'm always hesitant to bring up the specifics of my nightmares with Garnadaan but honest communication and transparency has been the name of the game for us both. Anyway, the point of me bringing this up is that as time has gone on the nightmares have gotten less and less frequent (thankfully). That's something I'm endlessly grateful for....it makes the "bad days" more manageable. We're still going to couples counseling, which has been helping as well.

    Sex has been challenging solely from a physical standpoint....side effects from chemo are causing a mild complication. With the help of my oncologist I'm taking steps to solve that problem, and judging by the awesome sex Garnadaan and I had last night those steps are working. :D

    Anyway, I wanted to post a song that I listened to that's helped me cope with things lately - "Burn the Pages" by Sia. The lyrics are very hopeful; hope is something that I've sorely needed - hope that I'll beat breast cancer, as well as hope that Garnadaan's and my marriage will persist and thrive through PMO. Stay strong, my fellow partners. You're all beautiful human beings worthy of love and all the happiness that life has to offer.

     
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  12. Frazzle sessions, I like that term! I'm assuming you're referring to "chemo brain". It's definitely kicked in a bit! I'll be walking to the fridge to get a soda and by the time I arrive I forgot what I was going to get! So bizarre. Hubby (@Garnadaan) seems to be coping okay. Overall, he's been amazing. He's really stepped up to the plate with caring for me and staying on top of the housework in addition to working full time. He accompanies me to every chemo infusion and doctor's appointment.

    If downloading the accountability software will bring you piece of mind I say go for it. I suggest (if you haven't done this already) discussing/clarifying your reason for doing so (as you stated above) with your hubby just to make sure you're both on the same page. I'm glad you both are doing well! :)

    I'm off to make some tea and do some knitting!
     
  13. Mj1064

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    I'm so glad all your results seem to be going in the right direction - especially the tumour size. It's great you're being looked after as well by your hubby and you don't have to worry about what he's doing. Hopefully your nightmares will disappear altogether soon.

    Hubby has said if I want to download software, if it makes me feel better, he has no qualms about it. I will ask again though coz I don't want him to think I still don't trust him. I'm kind of there but have to tell my brain to get over it too!

    Knit woolly socks this weather and a massive snuggle blanket!!!!
     
  14. DireMerl

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    Amazing news on the cancer front Mrs. Hopefully things will just keep Getting better and better. Xx
     
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  15. Thanks for the well wishes, it means a lot. :)
     
  16. Wow, it has been WAY too long since I updated my thread. Things have been going okay....Garnadaan and I celebrated our 5-year wedding anniversary on January 29th. We went up to the mountains the following weekend for a romantic getaway, which was really fun. It snowed the night before we arrived so there was ample snow on the ground! So pretty.

    On the PMO front things are going okay on both sides; he's 244 days into his reboot (or is it 245? I'll have to check his counter), and I'm so very proud of him. He hasn't posted here on Nofap in a long time, though...I wish he would post with more frequency. I always enjoy gaining further perspective on his thought process when it comes to this addiction, he's not as in- depth about it most of the time when we discuss it in-person. I've been doing okay as well; I don't get emotionally triggered anywhere near as often now.

    On the cancer front, things are going well right now. I survived chemo! My last infusion was yesterday. Glad that ickiness is over with. Now it's on to recovering from chemo and planning surgery. Surgery is going to be very challenging for me emotionally....I'm going to lose my breast, and reconstruction likely won't be able to happen for about 6 months to a year after surgery (and the radiation that'll come afterwards and round out my treatment). My husband is a boob guy, and for me to be without one for so long makes me so afraid. It's not going to be sexy AT ALL. It's going to be the exact opposite. I'm terrified that it'll drive him away, back to porn. He says that it won't do any such thing but I fear that he'll change his tune once he sees it in-person. On top of all that the idea of losing my breast devastates me; I'm a wreck just thinking about it. I thought going through chemo was tough; I ain't seen nothing yet. Stay strong everyone (me included).
     
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  17. WOTL

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    Great to hear that things are going well with this challenging treatment. I think that you should not be afraid about the impact of the surgery on the relationship. If your husband has been recovering, he should love you and appreciate you for who you are, not what you have. In fact he will probably admire your strength. I understand that you will feel like you are losing part of your identity but that can be reconstructed. Just believe in yourself, and the fact that you will be fine, and beautiful in his eyes no matter what. The rest are tricks of the mind. Do not believe the messages your brain will be sending you. They are not true in all likelihood. As for your husband being a boob person, that is frankly irrelevant and should not generate insecurities. You are a survivor and that requires courage and character. That is way more important over the long run. Best of luck to you...
     
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  18. Mj1064

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    From what we 'know' about your hubby, I think you will both get through this together. I think he's totally got your back, the same as you've had his. You are losing a piece of poisonous fat from your body. Your personality makes you beautiful. Yes, you will feel like shit, like you've lost a part of you but you will bounce back, stronger, healthier and a champion with your hubby :)
     
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  19. It's been a lot longer than I'd planned since updating this thread. Not a whole lot new to report really. My recovery from chemo was delayed a bit due to me catching a cold, which quickly turned into a bacterial infection that was treated with antibiotics. I was sick for about 10 days. The antibiotics had the potential to cause a severe intestinal infection (C.diff, the same infection I rang in the new year with) but I was lucky this time - I was tested once I completed the antibiotics regimen and the tests came back negative! Woohoo! Now the healing from chemo can truly begin (even though I finished chemo about a month ago).

    Garnadaan and I met with a surgical oncologist last week to discuss my surgical options. This meeting went much better than expected! The surgeon wants to preserve as much of my original breast skin as possible. She also recommended an immediate placement of a tissue expander during the mastectomy surgery, which helps preserve the skin's pliability for when I undergo reconstruction about a year or so from now. These were both options that I wasn't expecting to be available to me, which is awesome! These options both mean that I won't be completely flat post-surgery, which I was worried about from an emotional standpoint. It won't be the same as my original boob, but I'll still have something on the operated side of my chest which will help my self-confidence and provide some much-needed piece of mind during this extremely challenging time.

    Garnadaan is still doing well, PMO-wise...269 days according to his counter! I am, and continue to be, super proud of him. I, on the other hand, have been having a bit of a rough go of it emotionally as of late. I had a PMO-related nightmare for the first time in a while the night before last....it was pretty severe. As a result I was (and still am) dealing with lots of negative thoughts and insecurity about things - namely, Garnadaan's honesty regarding his PMO and his honesty with what he tells me. He tells me things like how easy it was to give up P, how he doesn't miss it, how doable going without PMO has been, and how he doesn't want anyone else, only me. I WANT to believe him when he tells me these things but I find myself thinking, "It's an addiction. No addiction is that easy to give up...it can't be as easy as he says. It can't be that simple." Trust is something that is still a work in progress, which makes sense but is still saddening for me to admit. I'll never be able to trust him 100% again and have told him as such; I want to get as close to that 100% as possible though. (Thanks for that terminology, by the way, @TheWife! Very apt.)

    The negative thoughts than escalate into paranoia. "We haven't had sex in almost a month - I know it's not due to lack of desire on either side, I just haven't been feeling well. He says he's okay with this, but is he really? If we go without sex for too long then what if he relapses? What if he's relapsed and hasn't told me? When we do have sex, is he thinking of me? Or is he thinking of somebody else? His former coworker that he was (is?) attracted to? Some other woman he saw today? A famous actress? Is he thinking of the anime girls he saw in the P he was (is?) into? Did he fake his O? He's faked it before, did he fake it again? What if I'm not enough for him? What if he's telling me that I am to make me feel better? I have cancer, for fuck's sake. How on earth can he find me attractive?" It snowballs even further from there, causing emotional pain and making me feel like I'm worthless, ugly, and all that rot. "What if he's been lying to me the entire time? He's lied to you for the majority of your marriage yet you still stand by him. Are you sure that's the right choice?"

    I still take some comfort in the fact that when I have bad days like the past couple of days have been they don't happen as often as they used to. When they DO happen, though, they're fucking brutal. I'm not going to leave my husband; it isn't want I want to do. When bad days happen, though, it's just difficult to focus on the positive.
     
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  20. TheWife

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    So glad that you avoided the c.diff. That is some great news.

    When do the bad days end? I have this question Everytime I get down. As you say, the bad days get further apart, but will they ever go away? I find that my mental health is what drives much of what is happening in our relationship. We need to take care of ourselves to ensure that our relationship keep inproving. That is a particularly difficult thing to achieve with cancer and all the awful treatment that you're going through. Just take it one day at a time. As you said yourself, "apres la pluie, le beau temps".

    Hugs x
     
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