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Using Trans Pronouns

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Deleted Account, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. I haven't encountered this either, but theoretically: I'll use he, she or it. The "Trans women" I've seen in real life (who have been heinous and in no way passable) would get "he" - if they objected, I'd offer "it". (Or I might cave, and be civil. It would depend on who else was there, not on the desires of people who are mentally ill.)

    Because if we don't push back on this, there will be another infringement upon our decency - and then another, and another, and another. There is no line the Lefties and loonies will not cross in their quest to eliminate every vestige of common sense and decency - unless you draw that line and stand on it.

    One day it's pronouns, and the next day there's a man with a 3-day shadow in a skirt in the bathroom with little girls. (Why are the Lefties so intent on getting men into the little girls room? That is really CREEPY.)

    Also, these people are utterly willing to get the government involved. Here in America, we have this thing called the First Amendment - you don't get to tell me what I can an cannot say. But there is already law or regulation in New York city, with fines north of $100,000 for failure to use the "correct" promouns.

    Wrapping up: I do feel sorry for some of these people who genuinely feel like they are in the wrong body, but that is a psychological issue. There are people who genuinely feel that their arms and legs don't belong to them - we dpon't accomodate their mental illness buy amputation.
     
  2. Buzz Lightyear

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  3. “A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us.” —St. Anthony the Great
     
  4. SuperFan

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    @CassTeaElle, I agree with you that there are people who genuinely struggle with gender identity due to biological factors. But I suspect that a majority of those who identify as trans do so not because of biology, but because of feeling. If that's accurate, then most of them aren't any different than the folks who identify as trans-racial.
     
  5. Gotham Outlaw

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    I think the "treatment" options for trans people need to be improved. Surgery is an extreme and expensive "cure" that definitely isn't the best for everyone, especially minors. People in the medical community should try less extreme options before a sex change. If none of those work then someone can get surgery.
     
  6. A.M.D.G.

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    My position is the same as Ben Shapiro’s on this topic.



     
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  7. I agree, but I don't support that either. I would refer to those people as "trans trenders," or people who "think" they're trans because society has made it seem normal or cool or like any slight feeling of tomboyishness men as you're a boy. I would put those people in the same category as the transracial people. And of course it's not always possible to tell if someone is "really" trans or not, so I'm sure some of those people I will believe when maybe I shouldn't. But at the end of the day, my point still stands. Transgenderism is a legitimate thing and being transracial is not. There might be some BS transgender people out there, but all of the transracial or transage or transabled, or whatever else they can come up with, people are not in the same category as transgender people.
     
  8. Totally agree. I actually heard Blaire White talking about this recently. I believe it was on the Rubin Report, if anyone wants to look it up. They need to be seeking better options and stop acting like transition is a magic cure, especially considering the extremely high suicide rate of trans people that doesn't change much after transition. People arent just magically cured, and surgeries like that are incredibly risky and super expensive.

    Personally, I don't see why they don't focus more attention on helping the person feel more comfortable with the gender they actually are. Like for instance, if someone is a boy and has extremely high estrogen levels or other complications that lead to gender dysphoria, why do we think the situation is to pump him full of more estrogen and give him surgeries to change his body and voice lessons so he can talk more like a girl, etc, when CLEARLY the simpler option would be to put him on testosterone, to correct the imbalance. Has that even been tried? I feel like gender dysphoria would be a lot more likely to be eliminated if we worked to make them more comfortable with their actual sex, given that no matter how much you transition, you're still never going to be fully the opposite gender. I believe Ben Shapiro mentioned this once, as well. I haven't watched those video clips yet, so forgive me if I'm repeating him.
     
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  9. As usual, I agree with Ben as well. He's a pretty smart man. Sometimes I disagree with him, but for the most part he usually has a pretty sound, logical argument.
     
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  10. Why? What is the actual difference? I happen to think they're both psychological or psychiatric issues, but what is the specific thing that makes one different from the other?

    I think the media have so saturated us to transgenderism that some just take it for the "new normal".

    Once you've declared that some utterly subjective "feeling" is more important than biology, then both would be valid - as well as any other combination.

    Where does this end?

    Well, we can see where it''s going:

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/11/13/white-transracial-man-identifies-as-filipino/

    So trangenderism is so accepted that it now is used to reify transracialism. What manner of insanity will be next?

    Well, it could be something like this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...ender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html

     
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  11. Gotham Outlaw

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    I didn't know I could identify as royalty. I know identify as such. Calling me anything other than your grace or my king makes you a bigot.
     
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  12. A.M.D.G.

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    The world is your oyster, your grace.
     
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  13. I've already answered this question several times. If you want a more comprehensive explanation of why they're different, aside from the explanations I've already given, you can do your own research.

    True... But I haven't declared that subjective feelings are more important than biology. Hence the reason I can see the clear difference between gender dysphoria and being "transracial."

    I agree with you that those other examples are crazy and we shouldn't be giving into people's delusions in that way. But being transgender, as I've already explained multiple times, is different than those things. So if you're asking where the line is and where it should end, that's my answer. The line is transgenderism, because there are actual biological reasons for someone to have gender dysphoria. Obviously people who think they are trans race or trans age or whatever need serious help as well, but it should be treated slightly differently than transgenderism, because it's a different thing.
     
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    People still think that, in 100% of the cases, XX leads to a female and XY leads to a male. Study biology and you'll realize there's a large gradient for many definitions. It's not a clean science.
     
  15. What is wrong with acquiescing to the desires of the mentally ill, if it helps them without harming you?
     
  16. I think the argument there is whether or not it does help them. Being nice to people isn't always the same as helping them.
     
  17. Buzz Lightyear

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    They probably offer degrees in this sort of thing these days.:D
     
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  20. As usual, I have no idea what you're saying. Lol
     

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