My speech to a woman who does not wear modestly

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  1. Manchild

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    I got it!!!

    Everyone wears onesies and sunglasses

    And all the people with furry fetish we kill (solidarity of Christianity and Islam at same time whilst killing furry fetish people, thus solving world peace)

    Thank you and goodnight, my work here on Earth is done
     
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  2. Castielle

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    I disagree with the last half of this, but that first part is spot on. Men have no idea what it's like to shop for clothes as a woman. Its next to impossible to find any gym clothes that are both comfortable and not skin tight.

    I've talked about this before. It's definitely not impossible to be modest as a woman, but it is SO MUCH EASIER to not be. And I would really love to put all the men making posts like this into women's shoes for a day, and see if they would honestly try so hard to dress modestly every day once they realize how much easier it is to not do that. If I want to find gym clothes that are modest, or heaven forbid a swim suit, I might have to go to 5 different stores and then end up having to buy something online. If a guy wants to find gym clothes that are modest, or a swimsuit, you can probably spend ten minutes in one place and find what you need.

    There are so many factors to people not dressing modestly, so to jump straight to assuming the worst about a person is just crap.

    Also, you have to consider body types as well, because it's a lot easier for some people to dress modestly than others. I was pretty flat chested growing up, compared to my sister, and I could find clothes pretty easily, while she literally ended up crying every time she had to go clothes shopping because everything that wasnt a loose sack of a t shirt made her look too sexy. And we also had a lot if judgemental moms of young men in our church who would complain whenever she or anyone else wore something even slightly revealing, so that made it 10 times harder for her.

    Another thing to consider is the fact that men can lust over literally anything. The other day, I got hit on more obviously and blatantly than I ever have in my life. What was I wearing? Baggy sweat pants and an oversized sweater, with basically no makeup and the hood covering all my hair. So yeah. Dressing is hard enough for women without men assuming we're all terrible people if what we are wearing doesn't meet their own personal moral standards.
     
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  3. Castielle

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    As long as its Vader and not Kylo Ren, because then I would have some major problems.
     
  4. Castielle

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    Also, women have more to cover up. I mean even if a man was walking around shirtless, that might trigger some women, but for the most part it probably wont matter that much. Obviously that would not fly for a woman.

    Most mens clothes are just already made to be pretty modest. You would have to actually try to be immodest, like by wearing something two sizes too small so its extra tight, which would probably even be less comfortable and more difficult to do.

    For women, its the opposite. Nearly everything is designed to be immodest, at least by somebody's standard. If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the fashion industry and the porn industry for creating this standard. Sure, women can absolutely ignore that standard and dress modestly anyway, but it's harder than you might understand, because you dont know what it's like to have that problem. And I'm not saying that to be rude or say screw men or anything like that, it's just a statement of fact. Every single average outfit you would see in a magazine or on a mannequin of mens clothes are probably going to be modest. For women it's almost the exact opposite.
     
  5. IGY

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    Really KennyKenny? So good they named him twice! :D

    Why is a belly button sexually arousing and, therefore, shouldn't be exposed? :eek: :confused:
     
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  6. Castielle

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    This is another problem. Everybody has different expectations of what they consider immodest. So to declare that someone doesnt care about modesty because they arent meeting your standards is dumb. Maybe they do care about modesty, but their standards are a little different than yours.

    In general, the main conclusion to all of this is just to not judge people because you dont know their heart.
     
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  7. Ginny Weasley

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    Aye, I mean while again I try not to judge no matter what they're wearing anymore, I personally don't really wear the clothes that shows off my stuff upstairs. But I do wear form fitting things like jeans and snug shirts as it's not only comfy but I like the style, and don't consider that imodest but I bet lots of folks do.

    Horses for courses as they say, no matter the person or article of clothes they wear it's their life and not mine so it's best if I move on. Everyone will do or wear something someone else doesn't like and that's the nature of life, we just have to make the best of it.
     
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  8. DucksInARow

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    If a woman knowingly or unknowingly uses her sexuality and appearance to manipulatively control a man/men, then that will have repercussions in her life. She will attract superficial men, and when she gets older that loss of power will be painful. Not every woman who shows here body is this way inclined of course, but many women do. I don't advocate laws or edicts for women to cover up because it triggers men, but there does need to be more public discussion about the role of female sexuality in society.

    Male abuse of power in the world is overt so is currently being challenged in the #meet too and #times up movement, and to an extent, the NoFap as a response to undeniable rise of the porn industry.

    Female power is a lot more covert, and so is clouded with misinterpretation, and difficult to discuss publicly. No excuse not to attempt to though.
     
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  9. AngelofDarkness

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    That kind of female power wouldn't exist in the first place if men would live more consciously and not let their decisions be influenced by their primal urges/instincts. Of course, that is no excuse for women to abuse that "weakness" in order to get special treatment or money. So I'd say it's a responsibility to reflect on for both genders.
     
  10. DucksInARow

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    I agree, its a chicken and egg dynamic, not about which 'side' is right or wrong.
     
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  11. There's nothing you can do about sluttily dressed women. The only thing you can do is control and condition your own sexuality. We've been sold a false bill of goods regarding how much control we have over our sex response. The truth is that it's very malleable, and you have full control over it.

    Yup. But to be fair, it was designed that way because people wanted it that way. Supply follows demand. If women weren't willing to dress in that manner then there'd be more conservative clothing available.
     
  12. Castielle

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    Sure, but which people? Women or men?
     
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  13. Women. They're the ones buying the clothes...
     
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  14. Ginny Weasley

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    To be fair, maybe it's also because that stuff is marketed to us and crammed down our bloody throats in everyday life all the time. It may not be an excuse but it sure as shite isn't helping.
     
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  15. AngelofDarkness

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    As I said, I think it's neither fair to victimize men nor women and it's both gender's own responsibility. Men's porn-influenced expectations of what makes a woman look attractive might have influenced the demand for such clothing to begin with, but women still have a choice. If they wouldn't buy the product, there would be indeed no demand for the product. I remember during my high school days there were a lot of girls who would wear low cut shirts with half their breasts exposed and they would get a lot better grades than they deserved from the male teachers. I could have done the same thing, but still chose not to, because I'd rather have done something productive for my mental abilities than for my image of being sexually attractive.
     
  16. DucksInARow

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    This all goes back to our animal ancestry, which has been updated into our societal and cultural norms. Sexual selection was tied to to survival and genetic propagation. Now our species has mastered physical survival (to the extent a mortal organism can survive) we are facing a rising crisis in meaning and identity. I.E whats the point of surviving if you are a slave to your animal desires and have poor self esteem due to poor choices.
     
  17. Freedom Jacques

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    Yes, they should. But that's not the world we live in. And to make that argument on a website dedicated to preventing pmo is a stupid argument to make. To ALL women: You have the freedom to wear anything you want. But we live in a dirty, broken world. And as long as you're comfortable with the thought that many of the men who see you will go home and jerk off to your memory, then knock yourself out. However, I would hope that my friends, sisters, future daughter, would want to leave a more elegant memory. One that invokes respect and class rather than lust, sin and immorality. You can believe what you want. But you can't be angry with the consequences of your beliefs.
     
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  18. Freedom Jacques

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    If women could spend one minute inside the mind of a mind, it would seriously change your dress sense. Dress how you want but know that most people immediately lose respect for people who dress like a hooker. It draws attention to your body rather than your personality and frankly...Why should I respect someone like that? You have nothing to offer except your body and make my journey to liberation more difficult in the process. I would respect a prostitute more. Because at least they're earning a living. All a women who dresses scantily says is that 'I like to show off my body'. And that's just the way it is.
     
  19. Ginny Weasley

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    I love how there's double standards, if a man dresses to show off his body by say walking around town with just shorts on nobody says anything, but a woman wears something usually even just a tad "revealing"? God forbid she's automatically judged and deemed a bloody slag.
     
  20. AngelofDarkness

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    How can you draw conclusions about a woman's personality based on the way she dresses without actually knowing her? Just because a woman wants attention by showing off her body doesn't mean her personality has no value.
     

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