Masturbating without porn

Omar zaheer

NoFap = No masturbation

Unfortunately, you need to start again! But that's fine! It's good that you decided to change your life and make a difference! I have gotten this useful advice from someone in this community that I would like to share with you: You should not masturbate (without porn of course) after 5-6 months of nofap. In other words, this is to facilitate your recovery and reconfigure your brain.

It is easy to fall into temptation and relapse. But since you have achieved 62 days of nofap (which is great! I am currently on Day 8 after many failures), I believe you already have a good strategy to nofap. My method: Distract yourself or direct your energy into working out, reading a book, meditation, listening to music or studying! Hope what I said helps you in some way.

Wishing you well on the road to recovery!

best regards.

 

While it may seem harsh because you didnt use porn, I think you probably should start again. Once you start allowing yourself to masturbate and then justifying it you effectively put yourself on a slippery slope that will lead to another relapse. Those 62 days haven't been wasted, but you have set your recovery back a bit.

 

I agree with all of the above. I have been there before. After 30 days of NoFap, I slipped. Because I decided not to restart, it led to a slippery slope. I began to find excuses and justifications.

 

M is not good for you even without P. Assuming from your name that you are muslim. M is haraam also. And in the nofap community its regarded as harmful with or without porn. Obviously with porn is worse. But its still causing physical damage to your penis, which WILL take its toll in later life (mine is weak and vein-ey now), and it still has all the chemical behaviours of an addiction and impacts testosterone, dopamine and seratonin levels. Your sexual energy needs to build up until you find a partner to release that energy with. Getting used to doing it yourself circumvents that system and will reduce your testosterone and affect many things.

That said, 62 days is bloody amazing and im sure you will have benefitted from that. so start again and keep going

 

Btw I am a Muslim convert. I have experienced both western GF and BF relationships and also marriage in islam. I used to get the same issue as you when i was younger, struggling to get hard with girls because of porn. i did not get the same issue in marriage. You are more comfortable in marriage with someone than a girl you just picked up. Its a psychological issue and not a phsyical issue. if you are muslim then when you get married you will not have this issue. but its likely never going to go away in one night stands and short relationships. because as soon as you start having sex you start thinking about losing your erection and this thought itself causes your erection to go

 

Congrats on reaching 62 days. I guess if you're already planing to start a 90 day reboot then wondering if you should restart is kind of pointless. In the end though whether you should restart depends on your goals for your reboot. If you were doing hardmode then you would want to restart after MO.

 

I don't know anything about being Muslim but I do know about being married to a PMO addict. Marriage does NOT guarantee you won't have sexual problems during marriage. It also doesn't cure you from PMO addiction. Rebooting can, however, help you with this.

 

sorry just to be clear, being married wont necesaarily helped with porn addition, but it helps with ED issues. That is just in my experience. I use to get ED issues with one nights and short term relationships but when i got msrried i didnt suffer the same issue

 

That's great that it helped you! And I agree, there can be less of the whole performance anxiety in a loving relationship than with a one night stand or short term relationship. However, to be clear, my husband did have PIED (porn induced erectile dysfunction) while we were married. And many other married PMO addicts suffer from ED or other sexual issues.

I'm not trying to attack you here, but it is important to me to clearly convey the message that getting married or being in a relationship doesn't solve anything on the PMO or ED front, even if things may initially get better due to the excitement of a new relationship. (Not speaking directly about the.hedonist.999 here, just saying that as a general thing.) That's a myth many PMO addicts believe, including my husband.

Edit: my husband used to believe that myth. Not now.

 

I think there is a lot of misinformation on here about how pornography ties to our health vs masturbation

So I'm going to try and clear things up and educate.

The REAL culprit thats responsible for ALL of the negative symptoms that bring most Fapstronauts on here, not limited to PIED, Lack of Libido, Depression, Anxiety etc, involves ONLY INTERNET PORNOGRAPHY. Not masturbation.

Occasional masturbation, as long as it is not compulsive or done in excess, has no real negative health consequence, other than draining us of energy, minerals and requiring a certain amount of time to physically recover. It is the PORNOGRAPHY that we need to focus on FIRST and FOREMOST. It is that which provides the Hyperstimulation of our reward system leading to addiction and damaging our brain.

Quitting masturbation and practicing abstinence, in my opinion is more of a self-improvement, lifestyle decision. Many Fapstronauts here report benefits from abstaining long term from masturbation with increased energy, motivation, confidence etc. But in all honesty, masturbating like once a week, isn't going to harm you like pornography does.

So friend, if you slip up and masturbate, don't get discouraged. Focus on removing Pornography as your number one priority. Then you can eventually move on to masturbation as well

Check out my post, where I comment on this.
https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/month-to-month-plan-for-nofap-success.89595/

Best,
Mateo

 

While I know NoFap is not an anti-masturbation site, I've always wondered why not? We want to break away from pornography because in porn there is a disconnect where persons are treated as objects for our own gratification and because it reinforces a connection with something which isn't real. Yet how do we avoid these same damaging components simply because we have masturbate without the use of pornographic materials? Aren't we still fantasizing by using our own imaginations? Aren't we just producing, directing, and starrring our own made up mental porn production? At the end of the day there still remains the elements of us using people in our imaginations for sexual gratification and there is still a connection to fantasy, not reality.

For these reasons I believe masturbation is still unhealthy behavior. You say it won't damage us like porn but how do we know this for sure? Furthermore even if it doesn't damage us with the same severity as porn, can we say it benefits us at all to masturbate? IMO, no, so why even do it? It's just another useless action that we seem to like to make excuses for in order to keep it in our lives.

 

Mr fox


1.. No PMO and the removal of pornograghy also includes fantasizing and becoming aroused by porn in your mind. If your thinking about porn all day then your still relapsing. Viewing anything artificial and being aroused for long times also constitutes as relapse. From instagram, posters, music video anything.

2.. What I was referring to in terms of masturbation was doing it without fantasy but purely the physical release. This is possible if your horns enough. You will notice however your urges to masturbation will significantly reduce because your brain is no longer hypersexually stimulated.

3.. Before pornograghy men rarely had symptoms like the ones our generation are having with their sex drive. It is a modern day phenomenon. The evidence is there bud. Do some reading on it. It is pornograghy. As I said before though, there is great benefits to abstaining from masturbation as well, but the focus here is porn

Check out my NoFap post
Month to month plan for NoFap success

I go into detail about everything there.
People need to be properly educated on the science behind this.

Mateo

 

I already said this in my post, I don't know why you feel you need to repeat it.

Yeah I already understand this, but again thanks for repeating it.

There are a lot of things which are possible, but is masturbation without fantasy probable? No. No it's not.

Again you're repeating what I already know.

 

Mr Fox.

1.I misread your post, and I properly edited mine accordingly. I was on the bus and was skim reading, I apologize.
2.Masturbation without fantasy is very possible. Once enough sexual tension is built up, a man can release from just physical touch alone, long as he is practising mindful control of his thoughts. I am not saying masturbating is healthy, or anything, but I am addressing moreso the main problem, which is Pornography.

A lot of Fapstronauts here struggle with taking on both Pornography AND masturbation, as it can be overwhelming. So my point was to address that pornography is the main issue. Weaning with occasional masturbation WITHOUT fantasy until you rewire from pornography is a perfectly rational and realistic way of recovering. If you take on too much of a gung ho attitude, often times you will relapse later down the line.

Eventually, once pornography is successfuly removed, you can move on to masturbation as well.

Best Mateo

 

I dont know about nofap but personally, masturbation is now allowed in my religion, its stick going to cause the physical damage to my penis that it has caused, its still going to have many of the same effects in terms of draining testosterone and dopamine, easy access to reward circuitry that was designed (or evolved if thats your thing) to reward me for getting out of my man cave and finding a mating partner with my fired up testosterone levels etc.

I agree M and O without P is better but the optimal is to abandon all three for me personally. Obviously each person is different and has different reasons. I am here for religious reasons, health reasons, and psychological reasons and leaving the full PMO triangle helps me in all those areas

Regarding whether being married helps. I dont know about other peoples situations. ED is caused by many issues. Stress, health issues etc. Mine was caused by becoming used to my death grip, not feeling relaxed enough with women and constantly thinking about performance issues during sex which was a closed loop feedback. Having a woman I was married to meant she wasnt gonna just walk away in a few weeks. I had time to get to know her properly and build a proper connection with her and I dont feel any nerves in the bedroom. After 6 years of marriage I told her about my porn addiction and she has been very supportive as well and udnerstanding. So marriage for me was a positive. But each situation is different. I only said it helped in mine and in some cases, not that its a catch all solution

 

If you want to upgrade your lifestyle and live "clean" to the fullest, I would consider putting off both... not thinking about porn or masturbation. When it come's to something like NoFap, I want to reap ALL the benefits I can get from it.

Hard to do but it can be done ... it has been done .

 

I agree. The most optimal is the removal of both pmo and m.

In my personal experience though I found it difficult in my early stages of rebooting to handle both M and P and properly function. Maybe if I was at a rehab center or at home all day, but I was working full time in the public. The tension would build too high and would affect my performance.

I found that when tension got too high, if I practised mindful mo, it benefited the withdrawals and eased me a bit. At least until I got a handle on pmo. Eventually after a couple months I started NoFap as well. Now I'm on full abstinence.

That's what led me to post my
Month to month plan for NoFap success

Hope this provides some insight
Mateo