Is it wrong that I insist on waiting for women to make the move?

There you go. That's what you lean on. So if you do believe in the Higher Power, leave all your worries to that Higher Power and you do your work/study. That's what most of us are doing. And when you do end up with someone nice, let others call it "luck", but you know that it's not the case.

 

i noticed you live in australia. wonder how dating life is there. probably better than in america.

but anyways, i dont want to hijack this thread longer than i have to. continue on with your thread, OP.

 

It's complicated, like everywhere else in the world.

It's not where I live, but who I am and what I do, that makes a difference. If you are living in a city, then any city in the modern developed world have very similar dating challenges for men. What I have found is that the more I am focused at my work (in your case, study), the better prepared I am for this world. So when I do find my love, I will have interesting things to talk about. If I don't live a life that makes me feel like I am interesting, then how will someone else find me interesting?

 

thats a shallow quality.

 

Being an interesting person is a quality that has several layers and essentially is a whole lifestyle. I'd say its built up of a blend of these qualities.

• Competence
  
• Unique
  
• Emotional intelligence
  
• Open minded
  
• Enthusiasm
  
• Hobbies
  
• Strong opinions
  
• Ambition

 

Yes, it is wrong. It's wrong because it won't happen.

Even if you look 10/10, most women will not make the fist move because they are not supposed to. It's a cultural thing. They expect the man to make the move.

They expect the man to take the initiative with them, the man to engage with them, the man to greet them, the man to text them.

And if you won't do it, there are 3 other guys out there who will do it. And she will pick from those 3 other guys.

If you don't make a move you are 100% guaranteed you will lose.

And this is talking if you look 10/10, if you look average chances are no woman will ever make the first move, again for cultural reasons.

Dating apps suck, try dating in real life.

If you are too afraid of rejection, fine. But you should be more afraid of the consequences, being left out, given what I said above.

 

Sounds like she was a Sloot. However she was unattractive and so you weren’t interested because of that?

 

There are two possibilities to this, a person rejecting you because they actually know you completely inside and out, or they're just rejecting you based on your app profile and the online interaction - which is hopefully obvious that it's quite limited.

The same actually goes for if you ask someone out in person or something, how well can they even possibly know you if it's someone you don't know that well or at all?

And subsequently, why is their rejection meaningful? I understand it may be interpreted as one more rejection and thought of as reflecting on your self esteem, but not only are the encounters extremely superficial for anyone to gauge anything, but also rejection from women in general doesn't reflect on a person completely. You can say in terms of immediate face value sexual attractiveness maybe but then the question is will you base your self worth on that alone, whether consciously or unconsciously?

Even if there's a ton of them over ten years if it's pretty much all superficial it is still largely meaningless.

It's like if there's a book that doesn't have a nice colorful jacket cover and nobody wants to read it, that has no bearing on the content. Heck, who even reads anymore? It seems like most people need a influencer video to "break down" a topic. That doesn't mean the book isn't good, that means people are aliterate and don't read even if they can. I see relating with people similarly.

 

many factors. she smoked like 5 packs of cigarettes, 5 kids, tomboy, tattoos, yeah ill pass on that.

https://postimg.cc/qzDWdgTK

and heres the only pic i can find of her.

 

We live in a society, OP. A society in which men must ask first.

Just do it. Worst that can happen is a no. Take the L on the chin and move on.

I've been rejected loads of times and am still a virgin who hasn't had a girlfriend. Does that mean I stop? No, I continue.

Women won't ever make the first move. Just be brave and go ask them.

 

Do both. Quit porn and improve yourself at the same time.

 

I honestly envy your confidence for this, but then again I guess we all tend to mature in this manner at different paces. I am twenty years old and am still trying to figure my way around the dating life. But then again I got hooked on porn in middle school and then the Red-Pill in high school. Now I am wondering why my woman skills are underdeveloped. I read your post on the red-pill and let me just say that your story honestly sounds a lot like mine. Every other guy I hung out with in high school seemed to have a girlfriend and I was the odd man out. So because I was confused and bitter, I started watching all these Red-Pill and MGTOW videos. I didn't completely agree with them on everything. Yet there was something about it's ethos that appealed to me. Yet it also seemed to make me cold and ultimately lonely. So I stopped following these ideas, and started reclaiming my masculinity for myself and trying to move on with my life. Fortunately for me, I found a social group that's made up of both men and women so hopefully I can get one of their perspectives of my issues. I won't open up about all my issues because I don't want to get thrown out, but enough to start some dialogue about.

 

Yeah the Red Pill and MGTOW videos are pure poison for a young mans mind.

Personally I'm 17 year old and don't have much self confidence. What I do is "fuck it im going for it". If I see a cute girl in the hallway I'll say hi and ask for her contact info. Usually takes a minute or less.

 

I'm just going to be upfront with you.

Do you want to be lonely and ignored forever? Then wait and don't do anything.

Do you want to experience love? Then go out and try.

Don't be so self-defeating.