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Has porn increased the prevalence of homosexuality?

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Deleted Account, May 9, 2016.

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  2. IGY

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    Hehehehehe - yeah cheers Colin *literally lol-ing* :p
     
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  3. Child of God

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    Now I know how my teachers feel when I site Wikipedia for school papers. XD
     
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  4. Neither am I. But just to clear up a mistake...;)

    I didn't try to explain what you believe. I wouldn't presume to: I don't know what you believe beyond that you believe that homosexuality is wrong and a choice (of sorts).

    A poster above said:
    And there it is (though not in those Books). Although the first site I cited is an explicitly atheist one - and quite light-hearted, glad you found it funny :) - the verse is correct.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 22:13-21&version=CEB

    I made it very clear they were Old Testament verses and not the words of Christ as the person who originally brought it all up said. As to the "picking and choosing", to be honest, that's well beyond my ken, I'm not a Christian and I don't think it's my place to tell you what you should or shouldn't believe from my position of relative ignorance. Though the argument I outlined is common enough, I have often seen on comment threads, I don't subscribe to it personally because I think - as you've pointed out - it's rather simplistic.

    I'll leave it there, because we're not going to get into a discussion about faith, are we! :)

    Perhaps I should have been clearer. :)

    You guys have excellent - porn free, fapless! - days. Nice to have met you. :)
     
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  5. Child of God

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    Well, thank goodness this isn't an in-depth faith argument. Those are so exhausting.

    After all,
    "Starting a quarrel is like breaching a dam; so drop the matter before a dispute breaks out." Proverbs 17:14
    And my favorite verse of all time:
    "If it is possible, as far as it depends on you. Live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18

    May you have many happy, PMO free days too! @Cleaning Colin
     
  6. Buzz Lightyear

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    Haven't read the posts here, but wanted to respond to the heading.

    Since being here, I've noticed a lot of straight guys mentioning that they found themselves viewing gay pornography. This led them naturally to question their sexuality. One possible explanation for this behaviour is that we have become androgenous today in our public life, we have all been reduced to economic individuals playing on a level socio-economic field. Our masculine instincts are stunted, finding no avenue for growth, and are distorted when they are thrown back into a private perversion [Latin... turn inward]... the viewing of pornography. Because our sexual instincts are confused, and the world is largely androgenous, it is little wonder that people start viewing all kinds of questionable matter.
     
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  7. The theory of this, as expounded on Your Brain on Porn, Buzz, is that it is simply a function of their increased tolerance for porn. (I say "their" - I haven't personally experienced this. And I'm very grateful that I haven't, I've seen some terribly anguished posts.)

    "I suspect that desensitization of the reward circuitry is behind many porn users escalating to porn that doesn't match their original sexual tastes or orientation. HOCD may be a more extreme version of what guys report all the time - escalation to new genres. Fear, anxiety, or shock all elevate dopamine and adrenaline (norepinephrine), which may amplify sexual excitation. This is exactly what a desensitized brain craves. And if your brain becomes desperate enough for stimulation, you may even act out, as this visitor did:..."

    http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ask-us-iam-attracted-to-gay-transsexual
     
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  8. tweeby

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    Out of interest was this guy below born straight, turned to homosexuality, was exposed to too much porn or what according to Christianity. :)

     
  9. Buzz Lightyear

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    The problem with this physicalist approach, which is no doubt the orthodoxy here, is that it may never really get to the root cause of the addiction. Brains have chemicals flying through them, but only minds feel emotions. You can look at the brain as a physical system, and then plan your strategy by that, or you could look at the mind as a real psycho-somatic substance, and plan your strategy on that. I think the second option is best because you are now dealing with intelligence, freedom, rational and irrational desire, incontinence etc... and it is this psychological phenomena that both drives you to overcome your addiction, and fuels your addiction.... it is not your brain. Where do we locate 'addiction' itself? The craving in the brain is only one side of it, where some behaviour becomes addictive, and we become addicts. We need to take our analogies from biology not physics here; an addiction is like a plant, it is rooted and grounded in the mind, and reveals itself, 'above ground' in the visible material world of the brain. Or architecture; the brain/material element of the addiction is like the super-structure, which rises from the immaterial mental base.

    There is a strange dichotomy here... almost schizoid. On the one hand, we are all very lucid in analysing the objective working of our brains, thinking the brain central. We see the problem as outside and over there in the brain from our first person perspective [God's eye view/ rationalism]. Yet, if we really want to get to the cause of the addiction, the root, then the first person perspective needs to be turned onto itself. Here we are looking at our very psyche made up of the ego, passions, and influenced by various histories and discourses... now we are taking a more subjective as opposed to an objective approach. This kind of thinking, which is like a self-diagnosis, is I believe central to any authentic recovery worthy of the word. Because we are learning to take back rational control of our passions.

    Isolating the brain from the mind, as some self-contained system, leads to a dichotomy. This dichotomy in thought can just further reinforce the notion of a divided self, where the rational self will bemoan the fate of an irrational self [brain, and its determined processes] situated on the other side of an inseparable gulf. A mind/ body dualism. Yet, that gulf is only in the mind. As we think, so we are.
     
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  10. Magetrip

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    Perhaps it could have made a person interested, but we should be carefull with what we watch and think.
     
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    Of course, there are many different environments that can influence people's sexuality, at many different ages. Not being a psychologist and so not knowing much about the details of the topic, my views are mostly based on scripture.
     
  12. @Buzz Lightyear you are unbelievably smart and educated (have you studied psychology?), I didn't understand a lot of what you said. But I did get the gist of the mind is different from the brain. I agree with you here, that humans are unique above animals because they have a mind, not just a brain, that is more than just chemicals. A soul, if you will. Thanks for your insight!
     
  13. Looking back at this thread, it was a pretty cool one. I like how we were all predominantly respectful and working together, with lots of different approaches. I decided to resurrect it because I think it is an interesting read ;).

    I don't really know where my desire to 'understand' or 'work out' homosexuality comes from. Maybe it is from an insecurity of my own, or some kind of curiosity. But I think I should remember that as a Christian I am called to love everybody with no agenda. It is the most important thing. I can try this.

    I think since joining NoFap, my beliefs have changed quite a bit.

    Peace. :)
     
  14. I don't think realizing that someone of the same sex is attractive means anything about your sexuality, though. Girls tell other girls that they are pretty/beautiful/sexy/hot ALL THE TIME. It is literally a compliment. Unless we know that they're lesbian, if a random girl says to us says, "you're cute!" we don't think, "oh no, she wants me." We say, "Aw, thank you, you too!" But it isn't like that for guys and is why #nohomo was popular. If hetero masculinity wasn't so forced upon males, more of you could acknowledge each other.
    Now if you saw an attractive man and thinking "hmmm I wonder what it would be like to kiss (etc) him, then I'd say no you aren't 100% straight and maybe further down the spectrum.
     
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  15. True. Thanks.
     
  16. I don't agree with this. The same way we have free will, the same way we are born into sin. For homosexuals that is one of their bigger struggles. Someone else it may be alcoholism, ect. IF we were still humans of Eden, then we'd all desire the opposite sex and so forth. It was God's intention for all of us to be straight but in order for us to love Him he let us live with the consequences of sin. Now our sexualities don't surprise God, they never did. But it is very much a matter of chance. God doesn't choose our sexuality, being gay isn't a punishment or test. It is simply the symptom of a broken world. The only thing we can do is not act on it, if we are Christian. He does not judge us for it on Earth (Jesus intercepted on our behalf) but he will Judge us for it on The Day.
     
  17. Themadfapper

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    I haven't read the whole thread, and maybe I already mentioned it, not sure if I've posted in this thread as it's pretty old?

    However, I will mention. Single mothers. I've in my own experience noticed that the vast majority of gay guys were from single mother homes. I believe that there are statistics that show this as well that the majority of people who identify as gay were raised by a single mother.

    P.S.. Not trying to hate on single moms. You got a super tough job, just trying to add objective information to the discussion.
     
  18. tweeby

    tweeby Banned

    To me... it is clear where your curiosity comes from...

    You have stated that as a christian you are called to love everybody with no agenda. Do you love yourself?

    In zen one of my favourite koans is.

    http://www.ashidakim.com/zenkoans/14muddyroad.html

    The message behind this may not resonate with yourself right now, but over time you will come to understand its meaning.
     
  19. tweeby

    tweeby Banned

    But what will you do when YOU act on it? Hmmm?
     
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  20. Start over again, of course! Repentance is continual!
     
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