Has porn increased the prevalence of homosexuality?

It's silly regardless of when it was written

 

Adam and Eve did not watch other people having sex on their laptops either.

Yet we criticize fellow human beings who have found love and who do not use porn.

We get off to watching women having sex with women. Yet we criticize consenting gay males for having sex in private.

Aren't we being somewhat hypocritical here?

 

This was very apt. As humans, some amount of hypocrisy is present in all of us. We are all here because we have made mistakes, not from the point of view of religion or God or morality but from point of view of decreasing the quality of our life. We could be so much more if we weren't addicted, and that's what we're trying to achieve now, sooner rather than later before our lives turn into a parody of what they could actually be.
Being in the boat that we are, ragging on gay people, doubting their existence, wondering if their presence is an accident of circumstance or a perversion brought about by watching people having sex with each other is kinda insulting.
I know that was not the intention of the person who started this thread, but I think it's best if straight people just STOP trying to figure out why gay people exist, how they came about etc. There are plenty of baffling things in the universe, we don't seem to question them. Already, the LGBTQ+ community has enough on their plate without having a forum like ours getting on their case too.

 

I get sorta jealous of men in P, and sometimes when fantasising I see them and wish I was them, instead of seeing the girl... I guess you might be onto something, but there are too many other influences to be certain.

 

Wow. I too M to the idea of an 'Ideal Man', a kinda super stud, super hunk. At no point do I ever think about him penetrating me or me penetrating him. What the hell does that make me? I secretly suspect most guys are programmed to look up to masculine men as role models.

 

My opinion, based on myself, is that it does contribute.

I have never once thought a guy was sexually attractive when in not fapping. Have had many, many propositions from guys. No interest. At all.

BUT I definitely have been subject to the coolige effect. I have found myself sexting guys, watching gay porn and even doing cams. Afterwords I feel intense remorse and regret. When continued regularly I feel exceedingly low self esteem. When not PMOing and I think about it I literally feel nauseous.

All this said, I have come very close to hooking up with guys over CL in some of my most lost moments.

If I had, and then done so repeatedly, I suppose I'd be considered "Bi".

I think it does.

I myself have NEVER found men attractive. But, have watched some Bi porn, transgendered person porn, even gay porn. This lead via Coolidge effect, to sexting guys, and responding to CL posts of guys looking to hook up.

This always makes me feel nauseous when I think about it. I feel intense feelings of shame when it's ongoing. When I go porn free, all that goes away.

If I hadn't quit porn it's probable that I would have eventually met someone from CL. If I did that, and repeated it, I suppose I'd be "Bi".

I don't think I am the only one to go down this path.

I also suspect porn increases the incidence of prostitution, rape etc.

I don't think it is the sole cause, but I think it does contribute.

 

@Shugi Shugi, from what little I know about Buhdism and Taoism, they do seem to describe you well. There are many many people who will agree with Christian principles, but that does not make them Christian. Being Christian is first and foremost about loving and accepting God and his Son who sacrificed his life for our sins. Secondly, we try to live our lives like Him (conforming to moral principles He outlined). Many people can agree with the morals Christianity presents, or part of them, but that is not what makes them Christian. Though, as for anybody, I still encourage you to read the Bible and consider Jesus.

This is quite the thread @Rubidium. I read up on a lot of it. I agree with you on mostly everything, so I wanted to throw in my support of your faith.

Apart from that, I want to make a small point. I believe homosexuality is not predetermined. This would commonly put me under the "choice" label. I agree with the choice perspective, but I am starting to think that "choice" itself is a misleading term. The opposition sees "choice" and think that we believe, one day, every gay person woke up and made a concious decision to be gay. This is why they counter it by asking us what day we decided to be straight. It reaches far dealer than that.

*speculation begins*

The "choice" primarily comes into play I think when deciding not to be gay. Obviously the choices are not similar anyway, for a billion reasons, so we shouldn't treat them as such. (By similar I mean as in right or left, win or lose similar. They are not two equal paths for which about half of the people go one way and half go the other. For an inequal choice like this, there is usually a benefit to one side to skew the data. i.e., straight couples can naturally reproduce) Since the "benefit" goes to heterosexuality, the only people who act otherwise are those who are compelled to by other strong emotions. I will elaborate.

First, we can assume being straight has a large bengefit because far more people choose it. (Please just roll with my use of the word choice here, it is merely convenient.)

Here is where we outline the occurance of a choice. We typically think of a choice as a moment where we are conflicted over options, and rationally pick one for ourselves. If an option is obvious, we don't really think of a choice. It is too automatic.

We all really grew up straight, because that is the world we live in or because it has the benefit, what have you. This is why we don't think of this as a choice.

Since heterosexuality has the benefit, anyone who struggles with homosexuality will likely not "come out". If they are unsure, they will just stay with the easiest option, which already likely dominates their life. (This is rapidly changing in the modern era) So the people who come out are really only the people who are strongly compelled to. I'm speculating, but I think they must have developed very strong reasons to outweigh their heterosexual life. This must also not feel like a conflicted decision (rationally), so they must feel like they must attribute it to something bigger than a choice. Social pressure likely plays a large role in this.

*speculation ends, belief resumes*

Gays obviously feel compelling reasons to be gay. The feelings must also come from deep within; this is definitely the simplest way to describe why they don't think it is a choice. I believe homosexuality is a sin, and I believe that these "compelling urges from inside" that gays experience do not justify it.

NoFap is the perfect place to explain this, because everyone here has had a porn addiction that they decided is bad for them. Leaving morals out of it, they think it has taken over part of their life and they want to remove it or limit it or whatever. They may not feel like they ever chose to be addicted to porn, but they definitely feel like they chose to quit. But was this choice easy? No! It is extremely difficult, and just because we may relapse time and time again, does not mean that we were born porn addicts! We chose to end our addictions, and the choice was just the beginning. We now work tirelessly to alter our state of mind; we fight tooth and nail with our most primal instincts, and yet we are not betraying ourselves as we were born. We are making a choice about our lives that originates from above our natural tendencies, because (especially as far as Christianity is concerned), we know we will always be tempted with sin/wrongdoing/unhealthy and wreckless behaviors. We just choose not to become overtaken by them.

To me this is how homosexuality works. It is wrong, and some people are born with compelling attractions to it. Like I am drawn to porn. It is a terrible attraction. So you may not consider homosexuality a choice, just like you don't consider porn addiction a choice. But I consider abstaining from homosexuality a choice by the same comparison, and it seems reasonable to assume that we can control it, no matter how difficult it is, in this way. By this reasoning, we do call it a choice.

If you made it this far, thank you. I know my writing is confusing at times. This is a difficult topic for Christians because it is complex and it is very easy to be labeled based off it. Almost all of us have at some point.

 

Yeah...Oddly the ones who are most against homosexuality tend to be those practising it behind closed doors, has the OP had any straight relationships yet

Personally, I wouldn't read too much into following an ancient book of text. Reach out to homosexuals, spend a day talking to them and understanding their issues. This is the best way to find out what is going on. Do this and you'll have a better understanding at what 'IS' and what 'IS NOT.'

Just like you can't get ripped by reading a book, you can't know of what homosexuality is and who it affects by just reading a book.

 

You have pre-teens watching porn before puberty IMO yes porn can definitely morph your sexual tastes.
Even after puberty. Is being gay 100% contributed to this? Of course not.

 

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Im not going to get involved in an argument about faith here, but I am going to clear up what I believe. I don't want the random viewer to learn it from someone who is "not particularly anti-Christian", but not Christian either.

For the record, the quoted scriptures are in the Old Testament, in a section we categorize as "Ancient Hebrew law". We do not pick and chose, we just know how to read the Bible in context.

These laws are written for any God-fearing person before Jesus came to earth. This is because they didn't have a Bible, or Jesus' actual words to look to. The post-Christ world that we live in now is totally different. Simply by being born, Jesus fulfilled the OT law, and showed us how we should live from now on. See a specific example of this when God defended a 'blanket' of unclean animals onto a roof where Simon-Peter was, and told him that "all of God's creation is clean if it is recieved with thanksgiving".

Jesus also tells us that homosexuality is still wrong. See these New Testament scriptures dealing with it:

Mathew 19:1-8
Romans 1:18-32
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Galatians 5:19
1 Timothy 1:10
Jude 1:4,7,9

And many more. Just wanted to correct a mistake!