"Baby It's Cold Outside"

This society is messed up. But it's because it's an old song that it is vilified. Modern music is full of sex and violence. Nothing wrong with trying to use the weather to get sex.

 

I think the song reflects well the times it was made and you could take two messages from this as a man either, 9 no's and a yes is still a yes or if at first you don't succeed try again. Personally to me it appears like the man is being needy and persistant, the woman is having second thoughts and the man wont take no for an answer.

I believe generally there is nothing wrong with trying to convince a potential partner to stay a while longer if your intentions are honest, however the song makes this process drawn out and what starts out as a request turns out to be like inviting a salesman in your home and he wont leave.

There is a point where expressing your wishes politely and showing you would like to spend more time turns into some kind of harrassment.

I remember one guy at work telling me '9 no's and a yes is still a yes' which might be true if you are trying to sell a product or service to a company but if it was me i would generally take the second no as a confirmation of the first no depending on how the first no was portrayed. I just think to myself what if it was me on the other end? if i wanted to say no i would maybe expect the other person to then try to further convince but on the second no i would make it clearer and that should indicate to the other person i have definitely made up my mind.

 

I get the sense that American politics are less about exchanging ideas and serving its actual people, and more about “owning the libruls” or “slapping the conservanazi”. People just don’t realise that teasing people won’t suddenly get them to feel sympathetic to the opposing cause.

 

Yeah, and buying tons of plastic straws is clearly the way to handle that situation, for sure.

 

I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. I'm just saying you're being immature.

Again, a completely immature attitude. The idea that since someone disagrees with you on something (immigration), you refuse to agree with them on anything else (environmentalism) makes no sense and is an immature way to live life. I absolutely detest Trump, and yet I've been able to agree with you on many things here, and I agree with a lot of conservative values and politics. You will have a happier life if you learn to be more open minded and stop labeling people as "stupid libtards" and assuming you cant agree with them on anything. Finding common ground is really important, as is being able to admit that someone you dont like might actually be right about something sometimes.

 

You cant say you're an open minded person and then spout stuff like this. You are not open minded at all if you continue to view complex human beings as "the left" and "the right" and lump all of their views into your own little biased boxes. I've met plenty of highly liberal people who are extremely kind and reasonable and want to find common ground just as much as I do. This statement you made just isnt true, but you will continue to live by your biases, all while claiming to be an open minded person. Open minded people dont have an "us vs. them" mindset about every issue.

 

Lol honey, you know nothing about me if you think hardcore "leftists" would accept me as one of their own. I'm not one of them, and they absolutely would not accept most of the things I believe. But the reason that they might "accept" me, from your perspective, is because I'm s nice person and I dont hate on people and treat them differently because their beliefs differ from mine. You can have conservative beliefs and still get along with liberals. All it takes is being respectful and not being a dick.

And no, I dont live in a liberal town at all, but I do know a lot of liberal people.

 

@Ra's Al Ghul I mostly agree with you on politics, I'm voting Trump 2020, but why waste your money? It won't prove anything to the leftists

 

I'm gonna get back on topic. Yesterday I heard this song in a restaurant, the version with a man and woman singing, and I didn't think there was anything wrong with it.

 

You should listen to Dave Rubin. He has progressive / left values, but is very open minded and humble. I think a lot of leftists are like you say but there are certainly some more or less rational and polite ones. I think it’s best to fight, oppose, even hate the things leftists try to push, but still love the people that hold those views as unique individuals. I agree that the left is less interested in finding common ground, but we can at least attempt to meet them in the middle, this shows humility and goodwill. It’s all well and good to own the libs if you are in a position to do so (if you are Ben Shapiro), because truthfully sometimes they are just dumb or seemingly evil, but it’s still worthwhile extending your hand, being humble and open minded, and not disliking people just because they are liberal.

 

What the heck is this supposed to mean?

 

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