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As a PA, how much do you share with good work friends/buddies?

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by TryingHard2Change, May 22, 2018.

  1. TryingHard2Change

    TryingHard2Change Distinguished Fapstronaut

    Tonight, I had dinner with two of my work colleagues. One is a good friend who works for the same company as me, but he lives far away (a 3-hour plane ride away)--but he was in town. And the other friend, is someone I have worked with for OVER 20 years..we are really, really good work friends/buddies -- the type of work friend who will definitely be at my funeral (and vice versa).

    I haven't see my good work friend in over 18 months since moving to Europe Jan 2017 and coming home earlier this year.

    So it was a great dinner..catching up / talking about our various jobs and projects. The 3 of us (me and two other guys) have worked on A LOT of stuff together since 1997! :)

    Both of these guys know at a very high level about my current marital problems. The one really close friend -- when I was in Europe during some really low points..he just happened to text me and I told him non-specifics like my marriage was crumbling....and he proceeded to check up on me, weekly at times. (My other friend who was at dinner tonight..he got divorced about 2 years ago, after being married for over 20 years! And we walked through that with him.)

    Anyway .. SSSOOO, tonight -- we are at dinner..we are catching up...and pretty early on, my good friend asks me straight up, "So how are things with your wife?"...and I answer with broad strokes. And then he asks very straightforwardly, "So what exactly did YOU do to cause such chaos in your marriage?" (when I opened up a little last summer over text to my good friend...I told him, repeatedly, that the marriage crisis I was in was 100% my fault, it's not my wife, etc.)

    ANYWAY .. so tonight -- confronted with my good friends asking me for more details.....I didn't admit to PA or anything close to that. I just kept talking in generalities -- and they got the picture and the conversation moved on.

    Here's my Question => is that wrong of me??

    ..

    The main reason I was hesitant was I'm not sure if I said, "I'm addicted to porn" -- that they would really understand. I have NO idea if those two close friends watch porn (I don't think they do)...but, I know the culture that we work in (DoD-related) is very what I'll call "pro porn"....of course there is also the shame part of it. But also, I don't think them knowing really helps anything -- doesn't really help me .. doesn't help them.

    ..

    I do appreciate their friendship...but they are strictly work friends (VERY good work friends). For example, when my kids get married -- Yes, those are probably my two best work friends, ever. But, I would never think to invite them to my kids wedding. Maybe that's a poor example. But hopefully you get my point.

    I have a clear distinction in my head between WORK FRIENDS .. and HOME/CHURCH/FAMILY FRIENDS. And in terms of which circle of friends I feel comfortable letting in about the details of my failing marriage and my PA.....I don't think _any_ Work Friends make it. Is that OK?
     
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  2. NF4L

    NF4L Fapstronaut

    It’s okay if it is okay for you. Perhaps one day you may feel the need or willing to be more open about your addiction and ongoing recovery. I have certainly let my closest friends know I am a PA, and have had some good conversations about it with them. I too haven’t let my close work buddy know about my PA, even though we normally hang out IRL or non work related activities and social gatherings. I have certainly do nd myself insinuating early on about my PA problem and forced recovery type thoughts on other coworkers as I struggled with it in the early days of recovery.

    PA is a huge problem of epidemic proportions, and I think we should all be talking about it. It just doesn’t get the attention, perhaps because so many of us don’t want to admit we are addicts. The addicts still in denial, will also go out of their way to condemn us, or say we are wrong. I think the truth will set us free. Eventually.
     
  3. I think it's totally up to you. If you aren't comfortable with telling them more than you have, then don't. There certainly is no requirement for you to disclose every detail, even if they asked you point blank. It's your marriage, your recovery. Therefore, it's your decision as to whom you tell all.
     
  4. My 2 closest friends I met in program, one SAA, the other CoDA. They both know all of the details. Work friends I do not tell. I'd just get blank stares. I overshared once or twice in my past, it wasn't helpful. One thing I like about the rooms is the person to person environment where we all get each other. Sharing about my disease honestly and openly belongs there. It does not belong at work. It is a boundaries thing for me. It is about privacy, not secrecy.

    I'm also starting to make some close friendships in my religious community. With some of the closer friendships, we get each other on deeper levels, not because we know the details, but because we know we each have our own stuff we had to work with that humbled us. It doesn't matter what the stuff is. I tend to make close friendships with compassionate and empathetic people because that is who I attract and who I am attracted to for friendships.

    So, to me, the details don't matter. We don't have to know everything about someone to know that person. We can see it in how they live their lives, how they treat other people, how they view the world, how they empathize with people they don't even know, etc.

    Does this make sense?

    Peace,
    -Quinn
     
  5. I want to address something else. Porn addiction is just one of many types of personal issues a person can have. Porn addicts have a special shame due to current social stigma I guess that makes us feel like our problem is so much worse than any other problem another person might have. Most porn or sex addicts have probably tried to bargain with God at some point, I know I did, "God, why did it have to be sex? Why couldn't it have been booze? AA is hip, cool, and trendy these days. That manuscript sold for $2 million dollars. Anything but sex."

    But as my wife told me before she married me. "Everybody's got their sh*t, this sh*t is yours. You're owning it and dealing with it so I will marry you.".

    Maybe the stigma will change over time, I don't know. But I do know I'm not in a special category of broken person just because I am a recovering sex addict.

    Peace,
    -Quinn
     
  6. TryingHard2Change

    TryingHard2Change Distinguished Fapstronaut

    Yes..it makes A LOT of sense! Thanks for sharing.

    I started to feel a little bad .. like it would be right to let my friends know -- after all, the one closer friend was really concerned about me last summer and fall and was reaching out to me / checking up on me...and the other friend, we walked through his divorce a couple years ago (although, he never exposed details).

    Anyway, I told my wife tonight that at my 2.5 hour long dinner (which seems crazy long for a dinner with a couple good guy friends), they asked about my marriage and I answered in generalities. And my wife said that was probably for the best.
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2018
  7. I'll say one last thing.... :) I promise...

    About a year ago, I shifted from making friendships based on sharing a common problem where we could relate based on that problem, to making friendships with other people who were "living in the solution" of whatever it was they were dealing with. That shifted my perspective away from my need to tell others about my problem in order to be relatable. Now, I relate with friends based on our common humanity and its positive traits, compassion, empathy, perspective taking, depth, humility, etc.

    I hope this makes sense and isn't too esoteric.

    Peace,
    -Quinn
     
  8. Yes, good point of your wife's. Always consider the impact on other people when sharing. There is individual and family privacy and both should be considered. Not secrecy, but privacy.

    Peace,
    -Quinn
     
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  9. EyesWideOpen

    EyesWideOpen Fapstronaut

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    It's totally okay. You share with whomever you feel comfortable with.

    Obviously you know I'm not not a PA, but I can speak for my husband to give you some input on his end since he doesn't come here much. He hasn't told any work friends at all, not even hinted (for that matter, neither have I). He has his best friend, his closest friend in the entire world - they grew up together. He hasn't even told him. It's probably the only thing he hasn't told him in his entire life, but the reason is because his best friend is fully open about porn with his wife. His wife does not like to have sex very often so they have an agreement that he is able to "supplement" with P. She likes the arrangement because it takes all the pressure off of her, although from what I understand, he would like more with her and less P. But hubby isn't worried about judgement from him, rather, he is more concerned that his friend would feel judged.

    He does have a good friend and mentor, of sorts, from our church that he has shared with. They did a Bible study together, just the two of them, and now they get together for coffee when their schedules allow. He has also become good friends with his sponsor from SA, which I am very happy about, because he needed someone that he can not only share his story with, but also be able to hang with, and they have this common ground so there is a great, unspoken understanding about so many things that he doesn't have with anyone else. It's been very good for him.
     

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