Prostitutes

Hehe. My idol / lady singer I'm in dead with is both a real feminist and the hottest woman that has ever walked on Earth. Feminine as fuck too.

Real feminism doesn't exclude anything, that's the point I think. Man-hating movements aren't real feminism. They're just a bunch of angry women. Perhaps they have a reason to be angry, perhaps it's legitimate, but it's not real feminism. Feminism is a beautiful word that has been soiled by such hate movements. I feel that I'm a feminist, but I don't hate anyone. I love men. You are amazing, fascinating, so important. There's no reason I would hate men. Everything I dream about is loving one and having one to love me. Does that make me less feminist? I don't know much about feminism to be honest, but I don't think so.

Also I really honestly don't understand all this fuss about western women. Maybe because I'm a pure white western woman.

Please, whatever your answer will be, stay respectful. I admit my ignorance, and I wish to learn more.

 

Clumsy why not we see some links you say its widely accepted yet you show no proof. And how do we know you've helped anyone it almost seems like you just make it hard on people. Like your thread "MY friend relapsed and I wasn't easy on him," maybe your approach doesn't work. Most of what you say seems bro science like the one guy said. It almost seems like your saying all the myths that were made like balding and eye blindness associated from the church about masturbation not scientific facts. If your pulling your information from the church then say so but don't lie and say its scientific. And I would expect research papers within the last twenty years minimum to so don't say 1920 thats outdated.

 

What are you even talking about? The REM sleep phase was discovered in 1953. How can scientists have made a claim on wet dreams if they didn't even know what was going on during the different phases of our sleep?

"Cured"? Wet dreams are not cancer. They are not a disease. We are the result of millions of years of evolution. Wet dreams are a product of this development. Just b/c excessive porn consumption fucks up your brain it doesn't mean that the act of masturbation itself is the work of the devil. For Christs sake, even animals masturbate. Or are you denying evolution too?

 

Dude i think its a lost cause he's probably a religious zealot I think we've done all we can. Yeah I knew his 1920 study was b.s thats impressive REM was discovered as soon as it was. He hasn't linked one scientific study yet and yet he talks like he knows anything.

He probably views sex as a bad thing that our biological wants are evil he probably views eating food and drinking water as bad for you to. No scientific study he just likes to pull things out of his as#

 

Can you show me any proof, any evidence that the church ever said that masturbation causes blindness? Because the church has never done that, that is misleading propaganda used by people who wants to discard old scientific research.

I've showed plenty of links in other threads

But here's some more:

A treatise on disease produced by onanism: https://archive.org/stream/1257114.nlm.nih.gov/1257114#page/n1/mode/2up - Notice that the author is a physician around 1840~ and he frequently quotes very well known physicians at that time. Also notice that he's not speaking from religious views, that he's rational and empathetic, encouraging his students to not "moralize over the victim of onanism".

The book is very good, describing extreme cases of compulsive masturbators, some cases are really extreme in that book, describing children with born irritation around the genitals that masturbated 8-10 times a day, he describes many interesting cases indeed. He also describes "mild" or the normal cases we see here.

And I'd recommend reading Samuel-Auguste Tissot (very famous old physician who had more than a clue about the problems of masturbation, notice, he's writing from a medical perspective)

Notice this book of taoism secrets of love; now revealed and written by Mantak Chia. The book has comments by several western authors and researches aswell, he's talking a lot about the prevention of wet dreams there: http://lipn.univ-paris13.fr/~ducham..._Winn]_Taoist_Secrets_of_Love(BookFi.org).pdf

They're explaining the exact same symptoms we are seeing today in PMO addicts, yet no high speed internet porn existed around that time. Mild tremors in hands, extreme shyness, fear of looking in the eye, stiffness in limbs and joints, impotence, premature ejaculation, inflamed prostate, "loss of manhood".

Here: http://english.byu.edu/facultysyllabi/KLawrence/ONANIA.pdf
A guy describing the effects of masturbation, some are greatly exaggarated though, but you can't escape the fact that he's right in many things

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_James_(physician) - Famous physician claimed masturbation was the cause of so many hideous "diseases".

And today's science, collected by all our Gary Wilson

http://reuniting.info/science

http://reuniting.info/content/men-does-frequent-ejaculation-cause-hangover

Why honeymoon ends: http://reuniting.info/science/why_does_the_honeymoon_end_kiecolt-glaser_newlywed_study

Exactly what taoists thousands of years ago observed; too much sex and too much ejaculatory sex destroyed gradually the love between couples.

This is just a little pick of what I've read, I could quote some old books I've came over tomorrow. Thing is: The old writers describes exactly the same symptoms as we see today in PMO addicts.

 

I'm not religious, what made you think that?

 

Idiot, you don't think it's possible to do observations? LMAO. They observed that eating before bed caused wet dreams, and eating with no undigested food in the stomach prevented it. Try it yourself instead of arguing with me?

 

No, because if you never eat stimulating food and if you never eat at least 4 hours before bed time the last meal of yours, and if you have your mind clean and free from erotic thoughts, you don't get wet dreams. That's a fact. At least no more than once/50 days and I can prove that. It's proven in various cultures, various medical literature. You will see it yourself, that when you eat before bedtime there's a big risk of triggering a wet dream.

And wet dreams are not beneficial for the reboot.

 

Clumsy: have you ever eaten before retiring and not had a WD? If your answer is yes, which is the case for most people, then it completely disqualifies your statement. I don't know how I can make it any clearer. I have eaten before bed hundreds if not thousands of times, and not had a WD. But when I do have a WD, and I eat before bed, then all of a sudden it's a trigger and should be avoided. Illogical.

 

Not to forget this text, very accurate in describing symptoms: http://www.oldandsold.com/articles08/marriage-23.shtml

It's an unknown doctor.

Many writers of the present time are undoubtedly doing much harm by belittling the effects of self-abuse. They have so much to say about the exaggerations of the early writers that the reader is likely to get the impression that the habit is not so injurious after all, and therefore does not try to break it. I quite agree that the alarmist view is not usually desirable, because it sets up a train of worry in the mind of the young man or woman which only aggravates the trouble and makes the struggle against it harder. But at the same time it is foolish to give the impression that the practice is of little importance, or to say that nearly every one has been addicted to it and that most of them have survived with good health and functions unimpaired.

The fact is that masturbation is always detrimental, even in the most moderate degree, and when carried far is extremely destructive. If not commenced until after mature years have been arrived at the results will be less serious. Unfortunately, however, it is practiced, in dearly all cases, before the age of eighteen years, more-often from fourteen to sixteen, and sometimes it is kept up from the age of twelve or fourteen until marriage—occasionally even after that. It is really true that when practiced extensively in the early years of youth the results are often almost serious enough to justify the horrible pen pictures painted by the sensational and exaggerating writers of a generation ago. And even in adult life it is sufficiently debilitating, robbing a man of his bodily energies, his mental strength, his spirit and his ambition, besides weakening the sex function itself and inducing a condition of general unfitness for marriage. It is a serious matter even in adult life.

The general bodily effects of masturbation, apart from the effect on the generative system itself, are to be seen in a lack of energy or general lassitude, a weakened muscular system, an all-around lack of development, sometimes a dragging gait, weakness of the bladder, or urinary symptoms, a pale or sallow complexion, often with dark rings around the eyes, as well as pimples and blackheads, poor memory,. difficulty in study or mental concentration, lack of self-confidence, a tendency to avoid the society of others, especially that of the opposite sex, and an inability to look other people in the eye. Of course these symptoms are typical only of serious cases. When the habit has not been carried very far, or has not been productive of much harm, they will not be in evidence. The mental or psychic symptoms are especially important and may be observed in varying degrees. A naturally strong-minded character may overcome some of them as for instance the lack of confidence, by force of will, but in many cases these anti-social symptoms are extremely marked. Weakened memory and poor mental concentration are among the most persistent and common of such symptoms.

Remember that none on this site would fit for the work our ancestors did hundreds of years ago, they were simply stronger. Our generation is too weak, we would be seen as "extreme cases"

 

I had wet dreams several times a week then I stopped eating atleast 4 hours before bedtime and I only use unstimulating articles of food: my wet dreams ARE GONE.

And it's not my claim, it's what I've read in several books, and taoists and monks in asia were very careful with eating too soon before sleep, because they didn't want to have wet dreams.

It's not my idea at all.

 

The longer you go without PMO, and the longer you abstain from masturbation, you'll notice that you will have a great problem with wet dreams. And then it requires that you eat nutritious and low caloric foods, of unstimulating character and taht you never sleep on a heavy stomach.

 

But of course, the monks in asia, the taoists, the indians, the western medical community, tissot, robert james, mantak chia and kellog had obviously no clue of what they were talking about. Everything is made up bullshit. We have been so wrong in 2500 years and now we suddenly discovered that masturbation and seminal loss is nothing to worry about, you can ejaculate whenever you want, how much you want because it will have no effect on your system. All scientists before us, all observers and every culture and sophisticated civilization including the old greeks - they were all wrong. We have endless resources of vital energy. Oh wait, vital energy? Does not exist.

 

"The general bodily effects of masturbation, apart from the effect on the generative system itself, are to be seen in a lack of energy or general lassitude, a weakened muscular system, an all-around lack of development, sometimes a dragging gait, weakness of the bladder, or urinary symptoms, a pale or sallow complexion, often with dark rings around the eyes, as well as pimples and blackheads, poor memory,. difficulty in study or mental concentration, lack of self-confidence, a tendency to avoid the society of others, especially that of the opposite sex, and an inability to look other people in the eye. Of course these symptoms are typical only of serious cases. When the habit has not been carried very far, or has not been productive of much harm, they will not be in evidence. The mental or psychic symptoms are especially important and may be observed in varying degrees. A naturally strong-minded character may overcome some of them as for instance the lack of confidence, by force of will, but in many cases these anti-social symptoms are extremely marked. Weakened memory and poor mental concentration are among the most persistent and common of such symptoms. "

 

"I will say frankly that one cannot expect to bring about revolutionary changes in a week or a month. It would take a considerable time. If the habit has extended over a period, of years it may take two or three years of persistent physical culture, clean living and clean thinking to realize a satisfactory change for the better."

And this quite confirms it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-acute-withdrawal_syndrome#Signs_and_symptoms

* Sleep disturbance (dreams of using, behaviors associated with the life style)
* Vivid dreams
* Panic disorder
* Depression

All commonly reported symptoms when one abstain PMO.

 

And I'm out of this forum. Tired of stupid masturbators with softened brains who cannot think clear even for a second and question anything. You guys are a pack of sheep. Brainwashed by media and sexologists so f*cking hard there's nothing left of you anymore.

 

Does all smokers gets lung cancer? No, so then cigarettes does not cause lung cancer. Good to know.

 

There is no need to leave and no need to be rude to people that have a different point of view to yours. Why have you turned this into a personal crusade between you and everyone else?

 

Not sure how that has to do with anything, but please Clumsy, you have your opinions, and other people have theirs. Yours are not more right, more truthful, or correct than anyone else's, because they are opinions. Remember, just because you read something on the internet does not make it a fact. Check the sources of the web pages you visit Clumsy. The articles you read are ones interpretation, or opinion on something. And it's naive to base your opinion on what someone wrote.

 

Probably agreeing there. But what about after? Most of us are actually not in it to become ascetic or asexual in the end. I just want to clear my brain from the effects of excessive porn consumption so I don't suffer from ED when I visit prostitutes.