Prostitutes

I AM GOING TO TELL YOU THAT.

MILLIONS OF LIVES ARE DESTROYED BY PORN BUT ALSO BY MASTURBATION. IT WRECKS THE PEOPLE WE HAVE! EVEN IF THEY DON'T KNOW IT!!!! IT TAKES AWAY ALL THE BEAUTY AND LOVE OF A PERSON.

I want to prevent that, and you're so underestimating this, and I fear that it's destructive to underestimate this. This is the DEVIL on planet Earth. That's why our ancestors tried desperately to ban it, to watch their children, to protect them from this habit. Because you cannot be a succesful person, loving and loved with this habit! No body was prepared to ejaculate frequently, or to be constantly sexually stimulated. And we see the consequences, why is none normal anymore? Why is there no decent man? And barely no decent women? Where is the love for our children? Where's the admiration for the good and the pure? Why is everything so twisted? Why is every family dysfunctional. Why doesn't siblings love eachother anymore? IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS EVIL.

 

No it's medical literature written by 1800's most notable physicians. And the taoism document is written by a very famous man in america, and this is practiced by millions of people. Would people still to this day practice it if it was pure bullshit?

 

Thankfully medical literature has moved on in the last 200 years!

 

1.) This is the totalitarian language that usually goes hand in hand with religious extremism.

2.) Body is not prepared for ejaculation? How do we reproduce? Or is every sexual act that doesn't solely serve the purpose of reproduction "evil"?

 

In marina and gary wilson articles they do say there is much to learn so I wouldn't take everything they say as gospel but rather with a grain of salt. Just because you read something doesn't mean its 100% this scientific articles and research change with time its not this is right and has been forever it changes. Something to consider. Also taoism? come on thats not medical that taoism. But the devil of our planet its is religious or totalitarian so thats why I thought you were and you speak in absolutes not in this could be right.

And saying millions of people practice it. Well billions of people practice religion and some are bullshit yet people do it. And billions watch porn and its bullshit. So because more people practice porn than taoism does that mean porn is less full of shit than taoism?

 

I forgot to add "frequently", big deal.

You feel guilty and shameful about visiting prostitutes, and you know that you never will gain admiration or respect for it, and you would be ashamed if your mother knew, or your father, or your sister. So why do you do it? Because you're addicted to it. Your sense of moral is weakened, and everything you care about is your satisfaction. I was right where you're now, and I recovered from that. Please, do it you too and you will be more loveable and you will feel general luck in life, believe me.

 

But come on, doesn't it makes sense? Sure the scientific research is lacking in understanding the cure, recovery process, the exact alterations etc, but Come on, this makes sense!

 

And I'm not religious extremist, just because you've lost your morals and visit prostitutes does not mean that I'm an extremist.

It's wrong to watch pornography, it's wrong to masturbate (because it's injurious!) and it's wrong to pay for sex, and we all know it. Why are we even arguing? This is instinctively taboo and shameful activities for humans. It's our instincts to cover our genitals with clothes for example, and it's our instinct to be reserved when it comes to sex.

 

Medical literature from the 1800's? Now that's what I call outdated. Clumsy, has medicine not progressed and evolved since then? I think it has. So again, why are you reading up from the past, in a day and age where we are so advanced. And keep in mind, you are reading one piece of literature. One piece. A minute drop in the ocean of medicine. He could have been a phoney for all you know. You are believing every word you read off a document you found on the internet. That's just foolish!

 

Yes but some observations are obvious. They observed that masturbation caused symptoms as we see today in PMO addicts; social anxiety, weakness, fatigue, impaired digestion, stiffness, poor memory and mental powers, difficulties with the opposite sex etc.

It's in our nature to approach a girl, it's in our instincts. It's not rocket science.

 

Actually its religion that has made us reserved for sex. Society so so but we are less reserved now than 20 years ago. And the whole wet dream thing its because we put bad feeling when we ejaculate without a partner because we put it with porn. It all comes back to how we feel after porn we feel bad and put bad feelings with ejaculating not getting bad feelings from ejaculating. And why would taoism mean anything billions of people watch porn yet millions practice tao does that mean that the people who watch porn are less full of shit?

 

No what they say is exactly what people on this forum says, what Gary Wilson says. Don't you think it's strange that so many doctors, philosophers, authors etc came to the same conclusion? And leave wet dreams aside, do you really think it's strange that they warned against masturbation and tried to prevent the loss of semen? IN every culture I repeat, and those observations are valid today too.

I don't believe everything but this complies everything I've observed on myself, the hysteria in women, the stupidity, the shyness, the anxiety, the depression, the fatigue. Everything of this was observed hundreds and thousands of years ago. Every successful (except our, but it cannot be called successful) warned against masturbation.

 

No it's human nature to be reserved about sex, it was necessary for the evolution of mankind. Again, read. Lol. But whatever, believe what you want. But I can tell you, and it's with pain I say it, but you'll never unlock your true self, if you keep having more than one wet dream a month. Because it reactivates everything, it's like a drinker drinking in the sleep - same effect. Undoes many important changes, shrinks dopamine receptors etc.

There are plenty of studies. Studies has been made throughout history on this subject, and they come to same conclusions, in every culture, in every country.

But omg, they are old so their research do not have any value ofc.

 

Well, I like to think of society as a pendulum. 200 years ago, the pendulum swung all the to the left, writings stating masturbation is wrong, sinful and immoral. In our day and age, the 21st century, the pendulum and swung all the way over to the right. Everywhere one looks for information about masturbation, will find articles stating it's safe, doctors claiming it's harmless and natural.

Now for myself personally, I'm still undecided whether or not I think masturbation is harmful or not. Because of my PMO habit, I don't have much experience masturbating without stimuli. I associated masturbation with pornography.

I understand your point of view though Clumsy. You think in todays world, people need to pay attention to what educated people 200 years ago thought of masturbation. But remember, we are more advanced in medicine than in any other time of the history of the world. We know more about the human body and brain than ever previously. One needs to remember that.

 

Think about this:

Post-acute withdrawal occurs after every hard drug addiction, from opiates and alcohol to stimulants.
common post-acute withdrawal symptoms are;

*strange palpilations of the heart
*vivid dreams
*depression
*rollercoaster mood
*memory problems
*increased stress sensitivity
*panic disorder

And why do so many report some of these? Strange heartbeats, vivid dreams and increased stress and depression? Because PMO, and ejaculation is the exactly same as any other drug if it's used in excesses like we have done. That's why 2-3 years of abstinence, as these old writers says is very RIGHT. And it takes appromaximately 2 years for standard post-acute withdrawal syndrome to cease and homeosthasis to set in. THEY MADE THOSE OBSERVATIONS.

But, they can be prolonged. If you smoke a pack a day for years, and quit for 2 months and then binge smoke a package your brain will go back entirely to smoke-mode. Because you're brain is so used to cigarettes and nicotine. So no changes will be made in the brain. (but better blood circulation but I'm talking about brain chemistry).

That's the same with wet dreams. They undo important changes your mind has made - that's why so many report feeling a setback, feeling a chasereffect, IT'S BECAUSE IT IS A SETBACK!!!

And yes, wet dreams can be avoided. I've linked to the Minnesota Wartime Experiment. They fed people with low calory food and what they noticed was cessation of wet dreams. And undigested foods disturb sleep and can cause wet dreams, and sleeping with undigested foods in the stomach is recommended to avoid by professional athletes, dietists etc.

Come ON! How hard is it. ITS OBVIOUS to me. Connect A to B for once.

 

Famous athletes like Muhammad Ali avoided all kind of ejaculations, for best results. It's common among professional athletes. Masturbation is NOT good, it's not necessary.

 

And I tell you, do experiment on yourself. Go one day without any food at all, and see what happens to your urges. They vanish, completely. Because body goes in survival-mode and does not want to spend energy and proteins and other nutrients on ejaculation.

 

My true self? You are your true self what changes you are the experiences habits the changes in thought patterns. You have to change yourself. The idea that just quitting porn will do everything for you is destructive. Porn is a symptom not the cause of your shitty life. Thats your fault you let your life fall apart you lost sight of who you were not your addictions they helped you but that is your fault.

I mean the idea that a wet dream will destroy you I can see why you would say people would laugh at us 200 years ago its because they probably realized that if you let a little wet dream control you then you are letting it get to you. You let yourself feel bad.

 

I recently read an article online that disproved your very point Clumsy. It said there is effectively no proof that abstinence increases performance. The same article found that some professional soccer teams during a tournament will forbid players from engaging in sexual activity before a match, because they believe it increases performance, but other teams encourage their players to engage in sex with their wife's or significant other because it helps with the nerves. You know what the study found? The team that engaged in sexual activity did equally as good as the team that did not.

Just goes to show that, once again, you cannot base your entire opinion on one specific instance.

 

And beauty: I don't know how badly affected you are by PMO addiction, but maybe you aren't that bad affected. Like those authors says, individuals react differently. Some people can stand more PMO than others, I know people who PMO'd everyday for several years and did not see any negative effects apart from lower energy levels and decreased libido towards real women. And then BOOM over a course of weeks the social anxiety kicked in, depression and all the evils that come along when you have exhausted your mind and body with masturbation and pornography.

Have you social anxiety? Are you dissatisfied with yourself? Do you have motivation and lust for life? You should have, you're a young animal and should be fired up with vitality at this time. Do you have ED, premature ejaculation or don't you get any affection towards real women? Is your fear taking over? Do you have bad posture?
You don't have to answer here, it's rhetorical questions. But if you've you will see improvents the longer you abstain.