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Has porn increased the prevalence of homosexuality?

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Deleted Account, May 9, 2016.

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May 9, 2016 #21

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Let me just say, (Sorry if this is too off-topic) this type of thread and comments are much easier to read and understand and discuss than your average or above-average essay. If an essay were to be written on this, using multiple people's opinions, it would never have the same effect as this simple and easy to navigate thread. (Also essays force you to write in a certain format and stick with it, which is unfortunate because sometimes a bit of adapting will benefit everyone (reading it).)

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Bench said: ↑

Let me just say, (Sorry if this is too off-topic) this type of thread and comments are much easier to read and understand and discuss than your average or above-average essay. If an essay were to be written on this, using multiple people's opinions, it would never have the same effect as this simple and easy to navigate thread. (Also essays force you to write in a certain format and stick with it, which is unfortunate because sometimes a bit of adapting will benefit everyone (reading it).)
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Yeah..... I agree

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Rubidium said: ↑

Tricky question. The bedrock of my opinion is in the Bible, in Genesis. God created man, and woman. God first made Adam, then thought it would be good for him to have a companion, so he created Eve. Later God says that a woman shall leave her father and be united with her husband etc. etc. etc.
To me it is simple: God created males for females and females for males. Adam and Eve were husband and wife. The garden of Eden was the only time in history when humans were perfect - It all ended when they ate from the tree - the first sin. And the bible says homosexuality is a sin. In a nutshell God makes everybody with the same instinct which is to grow up and marry the opposite sex.

"How about people that were attracted to the same sex for as far back as they remember and were not exposed to sex or porn?"
This is true, this happens. Take Alan Turing for example. My reasoning is that somewhere back in there life something caused them to be like this. For example, If a girl has never seen her father because he took off when the mother got pregnant. Or, imagine a young boy who only has one friend, who he is very close with, and he develops feelings for his friend. There are situations where people do make a choice, it is not a very conscious one.

Of course, there are many different environments that can influence people's sexuality, at many different ages. Not being a psychologist and so not knowing much about the details of the topic, my views are mostly based on scripture.

That was hard to articulate, phew. Now my question to you @SnL is do you know how pre-natal factors affect homosexuality, or do you simply not rule them out because that is what you want to believe?
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All great points if you happen to believe a book written some 1000's of years ago.

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May 10, 2016 #24

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tweeby said: ↑

All great points if you happen to believe a book written some 1000's of years ago.
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Yep Just because the bible is old, it does not make it irrelevant though.

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May 10, 2016 #25

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So let's not go too deep into these thought processes because I think they have a higher chance of leading to an angry flame war. I think the OP's question was entirely about the influence of porn on sexual preferences. Let's just discuss that exact question.

I will first speak concerning the scientific aspect, since it's my area of expertise. As far as "being born" a certain way, this probably refers to the genetics, since that's all a person has at the point of conception (unless you are talking about the environmental factors during fetal development as @SnL mentioned). As far as genetic links, there haven't been any successful genome-wide associations (GWAS) between homosexuality and specific genetic loci. There was one suspected marker but if you put the study through the same rigorous standards as others, it doesn't go too far. Therefore it looks at this point like sexual preference is determined mostly by environment.

I think the power of environment in this case is much more influential than genetics can be. There are so many factors that can influence the brain during development and the brain is extraordinarily adaptable. It can become anything you train it to be (whether consciously or deeply subconsciously). In fact, genetic links to behaviors are almost always impossible to pin down scientifically. Either they are entirely environmental, or they are controlled by too complex of a genetic system to elucidate with our technology. That's not to say that homosexuality has no genetic component, but I believe the influence of environment is more a more potent modulator of this kind of characteristic. Evidence from twin studies suggest that homosexuality is either not genetic at all or has variable penetrance (traits not guaranteed to result from genetic makeup).

Some environmental factors I believe play a role are: porn (like we are discussing), parental influence, other social interactions, and perhaps hormonal or other signaling makeup. Anecdotally, I will mention that most gay/bisexual men I know had less of an exposure to their father's presence growing up (e.g. divorced parents, dads who spent too much time at work) than "normal" children. Maybe that has something to do with it. I think the porn-related pathway we are discussing here has a much stronger effect during later childhood though.

In terms of choice, while I think people are not necessarily born homosexual, I think it becomes a part of a person long before any choices are made regarding future sexual preferences, unless you count the choice of watching various types of porn, which is maybe indirectly affecting preference. We don't have control over our sexual desires. What we do have control over is our actions. I won't go further into that, as it becomes a different topic.
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I really like the way you think about this. Your explanation of the genetic side of things is helpful.
In terms of the 'choice' I have pretty much changed my mind already. your last paragraph explains it well - homosexuality often becomes a part of a person before the make any informed choice about it. And the way porn plays a part is described well by @Shugi Shugi

Shugi Shugi said: ↑

I also want think that it is important to note the difference between straight up sexual orientation and fetish. Fetishes are part of human sexuality, a part from sexual orientation. But they are not the whole sexual orientation. What I had/have I would describe more as a fetish and not straight up bisexuality. At least from my perspective. But then again, it's hard to tell.
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I had never thought of it this way before. Porn-induced fetishes are one of the effects of porn and the Coolidge effect, an indirect effect of deciding to watch porn. And a straight person could have a gay fetish, thus considering themselves bisexual. If they quit porn however, they might see things differently.

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I do not believe people are born gay or straight and I belive that sexuality is determined by enviornmental factors and even if a child suffers sexual abuse can affect their sexuality. I never believed that 1 in 10 people are gay, and believe it is even less, however the one in ten could mean the gay people and also the people identified as bisexual.

Yet these days most people who identify as gay are not in the closet unlike over 30 years ago. Also there is an increase in number of people opening up as bisexual or their sexuality is fluid. I believe a major factor of people identifying as sexuality as fluid is due to their influence porn in their life.

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Perhaps the OP wants to explore the other sides of his sexuality, if the coolidge effect is to believed one can flip their sexual attractions quite easily.

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tweeby said: ↑

Perhaps the OP wants to explore the other sides of his sexuality, if the coolidge effect is to believed one can flip their sexual attractions quite easily.
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I am not sure if I understand?

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Well if you're a gay practicing Christian, then maybe if you exposed yourself to more straight things you start a opposite sex relationship. I'm assuming you're gay right?

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No I'm not gay 0:

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May 11, 2016 #31

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Hehehehe

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May 11, 2016 #32

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I think I understand where you are coming from though

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May 11, 2016 #33

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Oh God so sorry bruh, I just assumed by your picture and subject title. My bad LOL.

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no offence taken

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Rubidium said: ↑

I think I understand where you are coming from though
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But yeah what I wanted to say was, if the coolidge effect works a gay person or gay Christian or whatever, could gradually expose themselves to straight porn/women and thereby affect their sexuality.

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May 11, 2016 #36

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tweeby said: ↑

But yeah what I wanted to say was, if the coolidge effect works a gay person or gay Christian or whatever, could gradually expose themselves to straight porn/women and thereby affect their sexuality.
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How very interesting...
I would never recommend watching porn though, for any reason whatsoever.

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May 11, 2016 #37

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tweeby said: ↑

I just assumed by your picture
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That picture is pretty gay tho, lol.

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May 11, 2016 #38

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Shugi Shugi said: ↑

That picture is pretty gay tho, lol.
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;(

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May 12, 2016 #39

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Rubidium said: ↑

My question to you @SnL is do you know how pre-natal factors affect homosexuality, or do you simply not rule them out because that is what you want to believe?
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Touché, interesting question @Rubidium, lol! No, I do not know how pre-natal factors affect homosexuality. I have some vague memory that hormones passed via the placenta may be significant, that's all. But it's not what I want to believe.

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May 14, 2016 #40

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The OP. IM Straight but think your views on homosexuality are archaic and harmful to gay people. No offense but I'm not debating anyone who thinks Adam and Eve actually existed. The God of the bible killed over 2 million people so I can't imagine ... Anyway. Those that condemn homosexuality ignore what the bible says about divorce, about how non virgin women should be stoned on their wedding night if their husband finds out they aren't pure,about what Jesus said about wealth or about how those that work on the sabbath must be killed. It's convenient to pick on gays but ignore that the bible says far more about divorce and even wearing different fabrics at the same time. Some Christians pick and choose what to be against. Please read duteronomy and numbers. They will open your eyes

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