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wishing the internet would disappear

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Deleted Account, Dec 12, 2023.

  1. Oh the good old days of that one back room at the video store.
     
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  2. One time after watching P, I was so mad that I took out my network card from my computer and broke it in half. I went a year without internet in my home. That was 14 years ago and I haven’t looked at porn since.

    The internet isn’t bad, we just have to exercise self control. If we can’t, then it’s time to remove the problem for a while while we let ourselves heal.
     
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  3. DEFINITELY. For example, I wouldn't want to have to carry a smartphone in my pocket. Or I would like to carry an old push-button phone. for calls only. But now everything is managed from smartphones. In order to live without a phone, I need to move to a small city. I'm thinking about this too.
     
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  4. I agree. One of the happy outcomes in my quest to minimalize accessibility to the internet —a point I agree with you on completely - has been finding the digital minimalism community. While some are pretentious about their stance on technology —I call them digital militant vegans— the majority are quite helpful and I have found some good alternatives when it comes to replacing my smartphone. In fact, some places are starting to even sell devices without browser capability, but which still have useful apps. The only obvious downside is since this community is a niche market right now, these types of specialty devices, if you can call them that, end up costing a premium most of the time. The motto in the community is "customize or compromise". With certain smartphones, mostly android, there are ways to dumb them down, which is what they mean by customizing. For the compromise, there are certain devices that cater to digital minimalism; however, they usually always lack one or two things you wanted in a device, hence compromise.

    The main person I have been watching has been a guy by the name of Jose Briones. He's made a great site with a dumbphone finder; there are filtering options on the left to try and narrow down that perfect device that fits your needs: https://josebriones.org/dumbphone-finder

    I know you live in Turkey, but I typically hear the excuse that one cannot live without a smartphone here it the U.S. but I have lived without one for a couple years now. It's possible. Most will use work as an excuse, but most people also won't bother asking their IT department if there are options for security which won't require an app like a YubiKey, which is something my work provided me with, so now I don't have to use an authentication app on a smartphone.
     
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  5. Personally, I love the idea of what the internet was back in the 90s when it became public. Sites were text based with no pictures for the most part. First site launched on the world wide web was: info.cern.ch

    If you go there today, you can see what that first page looked like --well kind of, they had to recreate what it would have looked like in the 90s since it's not like someone was able to take a screen shot back then.
     
  6. theforgotten1423

    theforgotten1423 Fapstronaut

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    whenever a new medium comes along, people
    naturally get caught up in the information—the “content”—it carries. They
    care about the news in the newspaper, the music on the radio, the shows on
    the TV, the words spoken by the person on the far end of the phone line.
    The technology of the medium, however astonishing it may be, disappears
    behind whatever flows through it—facts, entertainment, instruction,
    conversation. When people start debating (as they always do) whether the
    medium’s effects are good or bad, it’s the content they wrestle over.
    Enthusiasts celebrate it; skeptics decry it. The terms of the argument have
    been pretty much the same for every new informational medium, going back
    at least to the books that came off Gutenberg’s press. Enthusiasts, with
    good reason, praise the torrent of new content that the technology uncorks,
    seeing it as signaling a “democratization” of culture. Skeptics, with equally
    good reason, condemn the crassness of the content, viewing it as signaling
    a “dumbing down” of culture. One side’s abundant Eden is the other’s vast
    wasteland.
    The Internet is the latest medium to spur this debate. The clash between Net
    enthusiasts and Net skeptics, carried out over the last two decades through
    dozens of books and articles and thousands of blog posts, video clips, and
    podcasts, has become as polarized as ever, with the former heralding a new
    golden age of access and participation and the latter bemoaning a new dark
    age of mediocrity and narcissism. The debate has been important—content
    does matter—but because it hinges on personal ideology and taste, it has
    gone down a cul-de-sac. The views have become extreme, the attacks
    personal. “Luddite!” sneers the enthusiast. “Philistine!” scoffs the skeptic.
    “Cassandra!” “Pollyanna!”
    What both enthusiast and skeptic miss is what McLuhan saw: that in the
    long run a medium’s content matters less than the medium itself in
    influencing how we think and act. As our window onto the world, and onto
    ourselves, a popular medium molds what we see and how we see it—and
    eventually, if we use it enough, it changes who we are, as individuals and as
    a society. “The effects of technology do not occur at the level of opinions or
    concepts,” wrote McLuhan. Rather, they alter “patterns of perception steadily
    and without any resistance.” 3 The showman exaggerates to make his
    point, but the point stands. Media work their magic, or their mischief, on the
    nervous system itself.
    Our focus on a medium’s content can blind us to these deep effects. We’re
    too busy being dazzled or disturbed by the programming to notice what’s
    going on inside our heads. In the end, we come to pretend that the
    technology itself doesn’t matter. It’s how we use it that matters, we tell
    ourselves. The implication, comforting in its hubris, is that we’re in control.
    The technology is just a tool, inert until we pick it up and inert again once we
    set it aside.

    The content of a medium is just
    “the juicy piece of meat carried by the burglar to distract the watchdog of the
    mind.”

    ~The Shallows by Nicholas Carr
     
  7. theforgotten1423

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    I would recommend you guys read the book which I quoted above. It's a pulitzer prize finalist . "The Shallows - What the Internet is doing to our Brains" by Nicholas Carr
     
  8. onceaking

    onceaking Fapstronaut

    But is it really their true colours? Or are people being influenced by the websites they visit or apps they look at? As the saying goes, "Bad company corrupts good character". I've experienced this in my own life. I was never all that misogynistic and was shocked by the level of misogyny I encountered on porn sites. Because I kept visiting porn sites I started to embrace the very misogynistic ideas that I was shocked by. It's why I'm trying to quit porn.

    I did a course at university a few years ago on revolutions and the first revolution we studied was the printing revolution. Beforehand I thought I knew everything about the Reformation and I quickly discovered I had heard the clean version of the story. I had no idea how violent and insane people got after reading the Bible. The apocalyptic stuff in the Bible drove people nuts.
     
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    One thing you have to take into account, though, is the irrational bias secular academia has against religion, particularly against Christianity. I can't tell you how many times I caught those academicians in hypocrisies, when dealing with both American conservatism (I don't think Brits understand how incredibly left-leaning our Constitution is, relative to European tradition), and in dealing with Christianity. They, like most humans, also have a bad habit of opining on things way out of their field and assuming they are correct because they are "educated." For example, I learned the causes for the American Great Depression, which impacted the entire world, are taught differently in history class than they are in the economics department. My own English Lit department would confidently explain sex and gender in terms refuted in a freshman biology class, or the machinations of governance contradicted by the PoliSci department.

    The Reformation was definitely a hot mess and I definitely could learn more about it, but it was such a big phenomenon you'd have to use a multidisciplinary approach to understand it. That "reading about the apocalypse made people crazy" conclusion smacks of simplistic conclusions rooted in "previous generations were stupid," "religion is a form of insanity," and "I only studied long enough to find the answer I wanted" biases.
     
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  10. onceaking

    onceaking Fapstronaut

    I must say I've never come across an anti-Christian bias in the curriculum. My university textbooks tend to approach all religions in a nuanced way. Now I will say certain biases come across in some of the lectures I've attended and students tend to approach subjects from a certain point of view in the discussions. When I said, "The apocalyptic stuff in the Bible drove people nuts" that was my interpretation of events. It seems to me what I got from the university was an account of happened when the Bible was printed. The Reformation is an interesting event because it was Christians (Catholics) vs Christians (Protestants). Growing up Protestant I was under the impression that we were the good guys and Catholics were the bad guys but studying it made me think the issue wasn't so black and white.
     
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