What do you think caused your PA + religion question

Actually, the purely spiritual life, that nuns and monks enjoyed in their sanctuary from the world known as monasteries, was all about transcending our animal nature and the need for sex. Christianity teaches, along with free will, that there is no need in the sexual sphere. There is only desire that can be controlled. Of course, if it can't be controlled, and one is burning with lust, then St. Paul says to those they should get married.

What needs to be kept in mind here is the distinction between the norm and the ideal. Christianity is capable of incorporating both. The modern world can not. It can only promote the norm, and sadly Christians also become habituated to thinking in terms of the 'norm'... even if they paint that norm differently.

Example:

 

I would say well over half of those brought up in Protestant puritan circles have a problem with auto-erotic behavior. The problem derives from no sublimation or artistic channeling [culture] of the sex instinct. What the modern church lacks in culture, it makes up for in ideology and hype. Yet this only exacerbates the tension within the private soul. This tension must find a release somehow, which is where people fall victim to various addictions.

 

Shameless.

Even more shameless.

 

I'm fully in agreement with Themadfapper. Everyone who is claiming that you can't go to hell for various sexual sins contradicts the Bible and they are liars. It's highly interesting why such liars consider themselves to be fundamentalist Christians founding their beliefs only on the Bible. They claim too that their only authority is the Bible but when there's something inconvenient for them there they choose their own principles and defend themselves that something is taken out of context or incorrect interpreted ( as if their own interpretation was infallable. They should found their privat sectarian churches where their own subjective teaching is more important than God's Word.

 

Yes, truth. Unfortunately some or maybe many Protestants believe this heresy. According to them you can murder, steal, lie, hurt others.... but if you believe in Jesus you must be absolutely sure that you are saved now and in future.

 

You could learn from Themadfapper how to read the Bible and how to be a genuin Christian. I know he is an atheist but for me he is like a true Christian who believes in truth. I know that Jesus said He is the way , the TRUTH and the life. So Themadfapper believing in truth believes in Jesus and many will be wonder when they some time see him in heaven and many will be wonder why having been Christians they'll end up in hell. ( their being sure that they are saved won't help them).

 

I am unwatching this thread.....too much notifications and .....too much christian stuff that i do not understand.......and.....its way off topic....

 

1- Porn is a sin for sure ... cause a man looking to a woman with lust ... a woman looking to a man with lust .. i a sin .... and porn corrupts the heart and weakens the of the belief.
2- Excessive masturbation is a sin cause it destroys relation with wife (husband) and weakens the body.
3- Even if porn and masturbation are sins , the parents approach is totally wrong ... u cannot tell a child u r going to hell .. choose a proper way ... and u cannot tell anyone he'll go to hell for committing a sin cause God forgives if u asked for forgiveness.
4- Being Christian is a huge sin and leads directly to hell (no forgiveness for this sin) comparing with the two previous sins.

that's my opinion .. no offense .... and living in the past won't solve the problem .. what happened just happened .. look forward to how quit this addiction .... all of us suffered in our childhood and caused to adapt bad habits ... we r adults now .. forget about our parents .. everyone is responsible for oneself now.

 

This pretty much corresponds perfectly to my history. I was masturbating before I even knew what sex was and I was punished and threatened with eternity in hell. I was also forced to go to Christian youth groups which further incited such threats. From that point my masturbation habits have exponentially grown and have an immense amount of associated shame. I haven't fully worked out how this all correlates but it is interesting to have similar histories.

 

No worries. I hope you can both get to the bottom of it. Stay strong.

 

This is such a funny thread to read.
I may have skimmed all the bible quotations, but it seems to me like there are two kinds of people here, the hardcore christians, and the even more hardcore christians.
The following is a compilation (completely out of context and not exhaustive) of the emotionally charged language some people use on this thread, indoctrinated by their religious leaders:
sin, shame, hell, god's gift of grace, murderers, liars, and thieves

Someone on here said: What´s worse, a society filled with religion or with porn?
Well sure the answer is porn, because without porn, there would be no porn addicts, duh...
But religion is just fueling it, by shaming all things sexual.

Imagine your house on fire and instead of trying to extinguish it with water, you use gasoline. That´s what religion does to porn addiction. Or any other sexual addiction. Or any other behavior, that is claimed a "sin".
People on here should use their brain more often, and decide for themselves, what is morally right or wrong, instead of getting indoctrinated by others.

Back to topic:
I´m atheist now, and I firmly reject religion in any way, but my mother is strictly christian and was in a relationship with a pastor (that was also the time when I developed my abysmal rejection and hate towards the church and religion altogether). He was being emotionally abusive, manipulative and the biggest hypocrite I´ve ever known. My porn addiction was definitely fueled by this. Because like so many others here said: Shame is the biggest cause of porn addiction.

 

I enjoyed the juxtaposition of consigning non-Christians to hell, with the phrase, 'Religious flame-war'.
My information is that they do have WiFi in Hell, but support is provided by BT. (Sorry, in-joke for Brits only)

 

HI @Sadgirl, well that thread was quite something! I guess the combination of sex and religion was always going to stir things up! For an encore, I suggest you start a thread about Trump and feminism and stand well back.

Wishing Christians and non-Christians alike peace and happiness in this life and the next (should there be one (or more than one if you believe in reincarnation)).

ANH

 

Don´t forget child porn.

 

Are you sure it isn't porn addiction that causes the shame rather than shame that causes the porn addiction? If you didn't have shame how would you even know it was wrong?

 

This is the classical hen versus egg question. That´s why it´s called the shame cycle.

The question of right and wrong is a moral question, indeed. Depending on someones ethics, one and the same thing can be wrong for someone and right for the other. Porn still does not go against my ethics, although i would love to rid the world of it. I think there is nothing inherently wrong with someone watching porn (even though it´s definitely not right, just neutral). What is wrong, is what people become by abusing it.
I don´t shame people. I don´t point fingers at others, because I know that we are all human and we all make mistakes. And I know the dark places where I´ve come from, so it´s no big stretch for me to imagine what some people in this forum must be going through.
If you think in terms of good and bad, this question is way easier to answer. I know porn is bad because of all the detrimental effects on your physical and mental health.

 

Here's my 2 cents, I grew up in a household where my father was (and still is) a faithful Christian, however my mother was not religious and had a different view on the world, both loved me equally and when I was younger I went to church every Sunday, I stoped going when I was 14-15, around the time I discovered internet porn, although I don't believe the two are linked. I believe that because my parents never talked to me about sex, love and relationships I had no real compass to navigate my emotions, porn became my educator about how to view females, although in real life situations with girls I always treated them with respect but could never understand how someone goes from just talking to someone to being in a relationship and then making out with them. I never talked about sex properly other than jokingly with my peers and I think feeling a sense of shame but also power helps to keep someone in their habbit, the shame prevents them from reaching out or asking questions and the sense of power keeps them coming back for more. Most peoples porn habbits are conducted with an air of secrecy and people are forever trying to hide their browsing history from those who may judge but, infact could be the very people that may help them overcome their problem. I think not having your emotional needs met is a big factor and not being educated about what porn really is and the difference between 'porn sex' and 'making love' I don't feel religion is linked to peoples poor choices regarding porn, i think its lack of education, guidance and low self esteem. I also believe parents should be more open with their children about sex and how it works in the 'real world' as opposed to some mystical birds and bees talk and should be appropriate for the age of that child. I feel so many people are left blind until the point where they stumble accross some hardcore porn on the internet and then, unless the child can be educated by their parents or a guardian, a lot of damage is likely to ensue. It matters not whether your parent is a follower of Jesus Christ, or The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 

That and dysfunctional family systems too (which might actually be the same thing). Raising my had to join the horde of us who've grown up in unsafe/unethical/burdened/broken/fake/tormented/deceitful/demanding/intolerant families, and who've ended up finding quick and easy solace wherever they could.

Also, discussing everybody's wildy vehement reactions to something that's been written, sliced and copied, and completed and translated a thousand times over the aeons really shouldn't be the subject of Fapstronauts, but their well-being towards the issue that gathers us all here. Peace?