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anything anyone sums up to anything is their God
Most atheists true God is the universe, just replace everything they say about the universe with God and you will be shocked that they are basically describing God

 

Unfortunately for them , universe is something that exists in our nature so it has to work with the rules of nature,so in nature nothing can be created by nothing

 

They make exceptions to this rule when they find something in nature they don't understand(arrogance) despite the fact the entire scientific method assumes teh rules in nature are always consistent and is how they accurately predict things that go on in the world despite this fact when they find a particle which pops in and our of "reality"[It is only the currently observable reality in actuality] They will say look something can come from nothing even though they know they are lying.
Anyway nature is the God of atheists for the most part although they wouldn't like to admit it

 

False, physics don't say that.

Or, something that is not supernatural. You can't conclude this.

 

Why has it be supernatural though? And why would this being of supernatural power never show themselves and also allow all this suffering? Why is the only text we have about these so called supernatural beings filled with things as war and killing, almost like a human wrote them to control others? Why does it fit the human agenda very well with control as a main reason? And if we don't talk about religions just something supernatural, well.. we can make it very very big. Maybe the universe is one of many and all these universes are just a part of a small thing in the total of things. We don't know and we can speculate all we want. But what we do know is natural laws and science. Belief do not build rockets that take us to the moon, science does. Is science made by a mythical being that is somewhere somehow at some point? No one knows. Therefore most people that are not religious are agnostics, because there is no way to 100% say there is not something supernatural, but there is also a lot of things we don't understand yet when it comes to science. What was "god" 200 years ago is today science, keep that in mind.

 

No this is not false physics,in physics for something to be created must exist something else

 

if something is not supernatural it has to be created from something else,this is physics only the supernatural can exist without creation

 

Nope, physics don't say this.

That's just a statement with no scientific support. Might as well not be supernatural.

 

do you know newtons laws?

 

why does it need to show themselves?
Suffering exists on earth as a test, everyone will die then be rewarded or punished based on what they did?
also you don't escape this question as an atheist, why would the universe make us suffer, what an evil universe, the universe must not exist

Wrong

it doesnt, your making a gross oversimplification.

Yes it does, it is all based on belief, thats how the rockes went to the moon, they believed they could send a rocket to the moon and kept on trying until they could
they believed they could build a rocket that was able to go to the moon and so kept on trying until they could
they believed all the physics laws and everything in science and assumed they were correct in order to build a rocket to go to the moon
it was all based on belief

this has nothing to do with the existence of God

Science is based on belief, you clearly haven't studied the philosophy of science

Wrong, most people in the world believe in God still, even though the delusion of atheism is growing.
Simply put, anything and everything science has ever done, was done by God, and anything science observes, is God, there is no contradiction.

Let me ask you a simple question, when it rains, what makes it rain, removing all external factors and all things that aren't neccesary, what is the thing that makes it rain, which without it, it would be impossible to rain?

 

LOL
Look, it's fine to be religious, but misusing logic and science to prove it is just nuts.

 

Really, because I am merely just using science to prove your own point wrong, Im not misusing anything
the entire scientific method we use, is based on the presumption that any effect has a cause, we build up a bunch of laws around these thins in the universe based on the sole assumption that something must always come from something else,
thats how we get newtons laws, about how every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction, how an object at a constant velocity will not change unless acted on by an external force.
We have all these laws in physics, and it helps us to predict things and calculate things, when we get to subparticles like muons, and quarks, we can only observe some subparticles, so we assume that one subparticle will have an equal and opposite, and we believe baryon number and lepton number is always conserved, when a particle changes to another.
My point is, all these laws, are assuming that nothing will happen to anything in our universe except when there is a change in the universe.
If everything in the universe is the same, and a rock is on the floor, it is not going to randomly start jumping around. but if something changes in our universe than it will, point being science assumes something must always arise from something, and if were to discard this assumption the whole scientific method would go down the drain.
Just like that, if every change must arise from another change, then it is impossible for anything to do anything without something else
something cannot arise from nothing, especially from the scientific method
so you my friend are the one who is misinformed

 

You should have a look at quantum mechanics.

 

I have

 

Believe what you want, but science does not support the idea that any gods have created the universe.

 

Science has nothing to do with God so your statement is meaningless to me

 

Which is the point: Why then make up false ideas about science and logic to prove the existence of gods?

 

Im not using science to prove God. All I did was say your statement was false, science assumes every thing arises from something else, and assumes that somethign cannot arise from something.
Your statement said science never says this, when in actuality it does.
I never used science to prove Gods existence.
Also logic does prove God, science is just an observation of the universe, it doesn't comment on philisophical topics

 

Do you have an example of this?

 

I'm not here to provide arguments for God and get into a whole philisophical discussion where I have to prove it to you.
But simpy put, I don't need to give any evidence for "God" as God is self evident.
Any and everything in existence exists due to a reason, the only possible reason for any of this is one God. there is no other logical reason for anything in existence and no argument anyone provides will ever make any logical sense as to the reason for this. In fact any argument you put fourth will just subsitute this Idea of one almighty unseeable God with another God of your liking, whether that be a greek God, a hindua God, a man, a idol or statue, whether that be nature, whether that be the universe, whether that be particles, whether that be anything material, all you are doing is subsituting God for another tainted idea of God with another name.
In fact the idea that there is no God has no logical basis in reality and is merely just words coming out your mouth