Strong advice: Don't do premarital sex!!

Your argument is that religion kills people, what are the numbers? And where is the proof that it is the religion and not people misunderstanding the religion. Extremists will kill people and use various ideologies as excuses… is it then correct to blame the ideology or the extremist?

 

I find it interesting that people put so much faith in science when so much of it is full of inaccuracies and inconsistencies. For example in clinical trials data is collected from multiple demographics and the results are extrapolated to individuals. Each patient studied in the study that doesn’t have the same demographics as the individual contaminates the accuracy of the extrapolation.

 

Is your argument that the majority of the world are stupid?

 

I am enjoying this discussion to be honest, I agree that the points you make are valid, but I am also entitled to my perspective

 

No, without morals there is no good or evil. You can have morals without being religious.

You say that christian people being violent is them misunderstanding christianity, yet you say shit like this that makes it trivial to justify murders of non-christians (pagans). As a matter of fact, most non-christians around the world don't worship moloch and probably never even heard of it.

How is that different from you believing you are right and those with a different opinion are wrong? None of us can know whether god(s) exist(s) or not.

Bible is also notoriously inconsistent. Both science and christian morals fail because they try to simplify a complex world. Science fails because it approaches the world mechanistically. Christian morals fail because they simplify things so that they can be neatly categorized into right and wrong, even though real world situations are often quite ambiguous. In my opinion, true morality comes much easier from a honest desire to do good than from a list of prescriptions.

 

Well the difference is science is always evolving and can change whenever we make new discoveries. It's based on trial and error and theories. Religion claims to be the truth and often the only truth.

Yes. Or blissfully ignorant. If tomorrow the rest of the world would start to believe in some other fairytale, wouldn't you question it? if 99% of the world believed in the flying spaghetti monster (hallowed be thy name), would you just accept it as truth because the numbers are big? The same with say Nazis? Communism?

Yes, religion does kill people. Just like the nazi ideology killed people. It's different sides of the same thing. Here's some violence incited by god or by god in the bible. If the bible was only new testament, love thy neighbour bla bla then there would be no crusades etc. Or maybe because humans are what we are, but at least then it would be easier to see it as interpretations. And yes, without a strong religion that divides people there would still be wars over land, riches and such but at least no religious wars, which we have had.. a lot of. Also don't forget the crusades, the torturing of pagans, the torturing of anyone not believing in the one true god (whoever that is for the moment) etc, these are victims never sung of. And whenever I see the church I always think about it's hundreds of thousands of victims. Especially the catholic church of course, they still tend to fuck up small boys lives and people in Africas by not wanting them to use condoms.. "the good old church". Men on powertrips.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_violence

 

The crusades were purely about power not religion. “Taming” savages was about enslaving people and creating a global empire. This is very far from what religion teaches.

 

People still put too much faith in science.

 

I like the fact that more and more "scientists" approache the content of the bible the scientific way, and come to the conclusion that God exist.
Everybody who is mocking God should do this very respectful task.
But as always, it's easier to mock something than to investigate it thoroughfully.

It's not difficult to prove the existence of a creator.
The humble ones can see it easily.

 

I think I agree with you. I think at times religion has been used to control people but so have other things. From what I know religion wasn't thought up by governments but by ordinary people who were trying to figure out the meaning of life.

Anyway, back to the subject of the thread I don't believe in marriage so it's likely if I have sex it won't be in marriage. I don't see why I should get married when I could cohabit or have a civil partnership.

 

It seems to me this depends heavily on circumstances -- there have certainly been many religions that were either created to control people or co-opted for that purpose -- e.g. Islam is notable for being very prescriptive in terms of relations to people and ways of living as well as hostile towards "infidels" from its very beginnings, as far as I know.

Thanks for this, I would've almost ignored the subject. I also don't like the institution of marriage, mostly because I don't see why the government should be involved in peoples' personal affairs, especially family life. With that said, I agree with OP to a degree in the sense that seeing sex as just a form of pleasure can be quite harmful. People too often forget that sex is supposed to be a very physical form of love.

 

I understand that no s*x before marriage is a conservative religious thing. I respect your beliefs and your traditions.

But I still don't see any evidence that no s*x before marriage leads to happy marriage! Forget about happy marriage, let's just talk about lasting marriage. Can someone point me to any evidence that people who don't have s*x before marriage, actually have not ended up in a divorce?

My take: Let's say you didn't have s*x before marriage and you get married. If your marriage breaks down, you can't blame God for it.

 

I'm sure there are couples who've waited for marriage who haven't gotten divorced, just like there are couples who had sex before marriage and who have long-lasting marriages. Pre-marital sex can be a non-issue depending on the couple. I say one thing that makes a successful marriage is having trust in your spouse. Also, they communicate well and know when to say something and when to not. Emotional intelligence is a great help in having a successful marriage.

 

The sexual revolution, which is still taking place, has broken the God given natural family and tribal structure which is God and natures way of survival for humans and the replacement is government structure. True freedom and dignity is in a people and their land and that’s going to be stripped from us because we don’t have family structure like we used to. The passing down of knowledge from old to young, learning skills and adapting them to fit new challenges, rapidly disappearing. Separating young men from fathers and wiring them into porn, video games and junk food. I see it constantly. The youth are being lost sadly. God’s ways are true and right and the further we get away from them the worse our culture will be. Ironically the sexual revolution happening now is only a reversal of the Biblical revolution which swept Western civilization from the time of Constantine and at that time the pagan sexual practices were done away with by and large. Yes there are complaints about the hypocrisy of certain Christians but I don’t think most of us understand the destruction and recklessness of a fully pagan society. We’re about to find out

 

Well said man. Do you think there are any big solutions to the coming crisis, or is it inevitable? Is the sexual revolution unstoppable, or do you think there is a way humanity can turn things around?

 

but some animals do have sex for fun, and some animals even masturbate for fun as well as have orgies for fun.

i tried to post links but cannot sadly, dm me if u want to read the articles about what i said above.

lots of animal species also engage in same-sex sexual intercourse which obviously they cannot procreate from, so it is just a form of expression and pleasure for them.

are you arguring that humans do not partake in incest or cannibalism?

 

Personally I do not want sex before marriage for my own reasons, but at the same time there is no marriage without love, which has always been hard for me. I think I am too much of a complicated guy, I am generally driven and motivated about almost everything. Everything except love, I never had a girlfriend before because while the opposite sex is attractive and intriguing to me, I always ended up avoiding women because I always felt hyper-sensitive around them, and lacked the basic assertiveness necessary for flirting. I tried to use what many dub the "red-pill" to try to make sense of everything, but honestly I feel like it has gotten me nowhere.

 

homoexuality amognst animals is a hoax and propogated by homosexual researches
in fact most of the animals out of the 0.001% observed homosexual behaviours were kept in unnatural environments with unnatural food and everything.

 

People kill people, you believe religion is man made for wordly purposes, meaning religion isn't the cause o the violence, the human ego and greed and personal interests are, in that case, if all "religion" were wiped off the world we would still have alot of violence, in fact having no moral framework except what society agrees upon is just a religion in and within itself and allows any group of people to decide what they want, and we know people love violence, getting rid of religion will not get rid of wars or violence
anyone here who thinks that WW1 or WW2 or the war in vietnam or most wars in history were to do with anything with religion are stupid, most wars even if claimed to be about religion were about human greed and interest and other things, these things all come from humans and will continue to come from us even if everyone on the earth were atheist there would still be plentiful conflict and violence, greed jealousy ego and wanted to subjucate other people and the list goes on.
your own point refutes itself, its humanity which is the real enemy here, making up things to justify their love for spilling blood.

 

Guys of course there is a god,who created time,logic,nature rules,thinking,emotions,aging who made the rules that hydrogen and oxygen creates water,why gravity pulls us instead of pushing us all these are rules that cant happen by themselves,some say that the universe is created by the big bang but who created that.In physics nothing can come from nothing so there must be a force that is supernatural