Sissy fantasies in my head without porn

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by approachingrelevance, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. approachingrelevance

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    So I had something weird happen when I woke up at 3 last night. The old new used to look at porn in the middle of the night to 'help me sleep' but my phone and computer are blocked with the bulldog blocker and cold turkey. With nothing to do I thought I'd go back to sleep, but while my eyes were closed I started playing a sissy fantasy where I was an effimimate man who goes to some hotel salon and does a bunch of lewd stuff. This wasn't playing back something I watched, but a new thing that I created at the time. It was enough to lead to MO, which really weirded me out.

    I could use help processing this.
    1. Do other people have these fantasies come, unwanted, after but having watched porn for weeks (I had only watched porn once this year, only briefly)?

    2. How do you stop a fantasy? It's not like I can install cold turkey on my brain.

    3. Should I be scared? I worry that I'm like the guy in the matrix who had agent Smith take over his real life body.

    I'd be grateful to hear any perspectives on this. Thanks.
     
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  2. Reborn66

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    coincidentally ive just got up and i had a similar thing happen while semi conscious in bed this morning.i only tend to fantasise in that state,not while fully awake.im 61 days pmo free.i find that while im cuddled up in my warm bed is a real trigger point for me too but up to now ive coped by rolling the hell out of bed before i relapse
     
  3. The imagination is a very powerful thing together with our creativity.
    You need to find a way to clean your imagination, and actually your whole heart.
    I got such fantasies very strongly after a relapse and sometimes I heard very vividly the same voices.
    I've learned to take the first picture captive showing that I have authority over it.
    My faith in God plays a key role here.
    Whenever a picture comes into my mind, I immediately take it captive and speak out certain things.
    Then the picture just disappears, losing its power over me.

    Today I have a clean imagination and mind. Free from my fetishes.
    Check out my journal if you want to know more about my methods.
     
  4. Fantasies are completely normal and don't define you. It's just random shit our brain picks up and starts obsessing about.

    Just urge surf. Don't act on them, don't actively resist them. They come and go like a tide. If they're very persistent, change your environment (listen to music or some exercise). Meditation might help.
     
  5. approachingrelevance

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    Thank you all for your comments. The thoughts seem like the battleground beyond the porn viewing. I'll take this advice to heart.
     
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  6. Ὀρφεύς

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    IDK how, and it's better to not know (I guess), some fantasies of mine disappeared thanks to sexual transmutation. But it was different fantasies, but still it was like obsesive disorder. Just it made frustration of not PMOing euphoric.
    And yup, you aren't your mind.
    Just understand that they will be there with you, but if you won't interact, they'll disappear one day. When you will get it, just relax. When you will be relaxed, u won't want to relapse.
     
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  7. You can install cold turkey in your brain. It's simply to stop thinking about it and start thinking about something else. Something which matters to you. For me, it's God and religion.

    Yes, I also get such kind of fantasies, it's mind generated porn, nothing else. But believe me, the more you don't give a F about that and start thinking about something else, the more you distance yourself from that and you'll be able to see to just how stupid it was, and what you were really longing (for me, it was clear that I had these fantasies because I just wanted to have real experiences with a woman, so every time I think about that I remind myself that it's a thought trap)

    You can check out my threads if you want to, to see how fucked up my mind was and still is, it's just that I'm in control of it right now

    Believe me, the grass is greener on the NoFap side
     
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  8. VinceLaCroix

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    Sounds like a compulsion. Wouldn't advice any 'tricks' to surpress the thoughts, it just never works.
     
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  9. Eliminating thoughts is a complete different cookie then suppressing thoughts.
     
  10. trylifeagain

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    What do you mean by, "just urge surf"?
     
  11. trylifeagain

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    I would say you might get some distance from this if you start view little streams of consciousness, or fantasy, as types of narratives that start to play in our mind. We're full of narratives.

    I'm changing careers, and so I've taken on the narrative that I'm a programmer, even though I'm only doing tutorials at the moment and working on certifications. It took a long depressing time for me to change my narrative from a person who was burnt out in his field with nowhere to go and onto someone who is a type of professional. I don't even care if I'm deluded and taking a risk. Such a change takes a leap of faith into an identity (as long as you're getting it done:)).

    With fapping, or this sissy stuff, and sissy doesn't even have to be a thing, you could have fallen into being a dominant and be having violent fantasies, instead of "benign" but (if in real life you tried out that fantasy) disturbing (call the cops this guy is crazy for wanting a brazilian while...). In a sense the type of fantasy doesn't matter. What should be of greater concern should be the fact that in some way when your mind is playing this fantasy out, you in someway are attaching yourself to it (have you made the step to detach yourself from your thoughts yet?--it is key).

    Moreover, if this were heroin recovery, should the heroin addict ask any of your three questions? The first answer would be affirmative. Sure, heroin addicts in recovery think about heroin even long after heroin. But, does the addict really need to ask that? It sounds more like questions 2 and 3 are what are really bothering you. There's many strategies to mitigate a strategy, maybe not stop one. I wish we had that much control over our minds. Personally, I find reacting to it effectively is the best: a bit of humor, laughing it off, finding it funny like a child having a tantrum who knows they don't get cookies at this hour. I think the word "repressing," or "suppressing," is just bad vocabulary. Jocko Willink analogizes thoughts like this, in dieting, to bullies. If a bully came to your door to tell you to fantasize about this thing, fap to this thing, act on this thing, what would you say to him?--would you even speak or just close the door?

    Should you be scared?--yeah, you are panicking because you think this is insurmountable and whatever, but it is what it is and the more you read others' posts, the more you'll realize there's nothing special about it. In finding that it or you aren't special, it's calming.

    What I fear for you is that you are not aggressive in taking it on. Your a** should be reading a book, cleaning your room, calling someone in Japan, and not lying there where its going to make you a victim.
     
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  12. approachingrelevance

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    Thanks trylifeagain. This is all great!
     
  13. I mean don't act of them. Just observe them. Try to understand them maybe.
     
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  14. Real Life Survivor

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    I think your brain is just processing shit and you were still in sleep mode.
     
  15. Stp890

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    Hi bro,fantasizing is equivalent to porn,it strengthens your reward circuitry to porn,it has the same effect as porn.i guess all PMO addicts struggle with fantasies in one way or the other. Fantasy always draw you back to PMO.But the further away you are from PMO the clearer your brain is and the further you are from fantasy, you will prove me right when you successfully abstained from PMO for like 10†months.best of luck bro.
     
  16. reboot_8716

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    Your brain is trying to seek some of the dopamine it was used to getting when you watched porn, Simple as that.

    it’s important to recognize they are just thoughts so you can have more self control in not acting on them. At the same time don’t beat yourself up about it. Sexual fantasies are a very normal thing for anyone to do, and while it may stimulate some of the same pathways as porn addiction it’s not doing it anywhere near the extent that watching videos was. It’s also not something you’ll likely ever “rid” yourself of - the fantasies may change, but thinking about sex is very normal - so setting a goal like that will drive you crazy.

    the number one rule is don’t use them as an excuse to go back to porn. If these fetishes are truly porn induced they will fade in time. If they don’t, then you know they’re not caused by porn and can do the work to accept them.

    for my part, I still find myself occasionally fantasizing about past sexual experiences I’ve had with a dominatrix. I’m sure it’s again my brain trying to seek dopamine but at least it’s a real experience I’m thinking about and not just some video. But I try very hard not to stick with it for too long
     
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  17. Beekind

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    Totally normal.
    The brain is addicted to something and you took it away. It will play all kinds of tricks on you to get you back to it.
    Fantasies,dreams and even conspires to put you in real situations where you will weaken and relapse.
    Why?
    Because you are addicted to this high level of stimulation.
    High level of stimulation is a tranquilliser.
    Why do you need tranquillisers?
    Because you are anxious.
    Why are you anxious?
    Because you have unresolved issues.
    So here you have it.
    It is all in you.
    No need for stimulation if you are totally at peace.
    Make it your life's mission to attain and protect peace.
     
  18. approachingrelevance

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    So much wisdom in this thread, and all of it is exactly what I needed to hear right now. Thanks so much! I can't get to quoting everyone, but I do realize that it's just my brain doing what it thinks it's job is. It's steering back to the source of dopamine, just as it would be steering me back towards the fresh water or food source if I was a caveman. It was my fault for trying to trick it into doing the PMO, so I need to fix it and point it to something else.
     
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  19. ProminentPosterior

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    Yea I had some a lot of potent fantasies early on. Bulk of which were heavily fetishized. I still have potent fantasies on occasion, but they’ve definitely become much less “pornographed” in their nature. In other words, they taper off with time and you just have to power through
     
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  20. reboot_8716

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    I’ve noticed the same. I’m pretty much still into all the things I was into when I watched porn but if I think about them it’s no longer imagining a porn scene I watched, so much as imagining myself doing them. And I think that’s generally a healthier type of fantasy to have.
     
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