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Self Discipline and Porn

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by ChrisHaven, Feb 5, 2014.

  1. ChrisHaven

    ChrisHaven Fapstronaut

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    Wanted to share something that really helped me out when my NoFap journey began.

    Why can’t I date the kind of woman I desire? Why do I keep giving in to masturbation and porn? Why am I not improving with women or getting laid even though I’ve bought every ebook, subscribed to every pickup gurus online program and watched every SimplePickup video on Youtube? Why am I not getting a six pack even after I changed my diet, joined a gym and lift 4 times a week consistently?


    A lot of very intelligent men in our society have written sad stories for themselves- Addicted to porn, low testosterone, low self esteem, erectile dysfunction, always in the friendzone, still a virgin in their twenties and thirties or hooked up with five or six sub par women, addicted to hookers, the list goes on and on. Worse still, a lot of them have quit taking responsibility for their lives and blame society, feminism, minorities, their parents and the government.


    The answer is your lack of self discipline. Yes.Good old-fashioned self-discipline.
    Men do no begin to live until they exercise self discipline in their lives-they merely exist. Like beasts.


    A beast goes after its cravings whenever and wherever it pleases him. A beast is also happy because it is not conscious of what it is missing in its life by indulging in every desire that comes its way. When a beast gets sick due overindulgence, it suffers and has no remedy for its suffering, because it has no idea how to escape its pain.


    Once, on vacation in the Caribbean, I watched a group of monkeys take swigs of cocktails from the mugs and glasses of unsuspecting tourists at a beachfront bar. Sometimes they would steal entire bottles of beer, drag them to a corner of the beach and chug away. These little guys loved their liquor. They also didn’t know when to stop. They drank till they were drunk then rolled around on the beach and on empty deck chairs screaming, puking and eventually passing out.


    Beasts don’t build civilizations, create great inventions that make the world a better place, lead other men to change the course of history, or control their destinies. Beasts eat, shit, have sex and sleep. They frequently do all four whenever and wherever they please.The only difference between the life of a beast and the life of an undisciplined man is that the man has even more desires than an animal and suffers in more complex ways than an animal is capable of suffering.


    You cannot achieve anything worthwhile or lasting in the world till you successfully learn how to manage your mind. You also cannot escape the cycle of your being broke, being addicted to porn , depression and low self esteem.With self esteem you truly begin to live, begin to gain insight into a lot of confusing or misaligned areas of your life and eventually, begin to control your destiny. I mean truly have full control over the direction you want your life to move in.


    When I had no self discipline, I masturbated everyday, played World of Warcraft daily, smoked weed, got shitfaced on weekends, and spent hours online talking shit on forums and doing nothing really constructive with my life. I worked a low paying job that I hated and graduated from a mediocre school with average grades. However, I was witty, funny, read a lot, had a college degree thought I was decent looking and came from a good “middle class” family.


    The truth was, if I got hit by a bus the next day, my existence would not have made a difference in the world. No impact, not a dent, not a scratch. Sometimes, I would get inspired by a blog post or a book and drag my butt to the gym for a few weeks or even stop watching porn and masturbating for a few days, but eventually I would be back to the same cycle of mediocrity.


    It was not until I made a decision to make a major change in one area life that everything else changed. All of us have one “corner stone” habit that keeps every other aspect of our lives mediocre. Once we change this habit, most of the mediocre areas of our lives suddenly realign themselves automatically. For you it may be your eating habits, or you lack of focus at work. For me, it was porn. Its tough to be disciplined at twenty things at once-usually a recipe for failure. Its much easier to focus on one weak area of your life, then fix the shit out of it.
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    The first, and in my opinion, most important step in developing self discipline is understanding it.
    There are three stages of Self Discipline. I call them the the three C’s.
    Control: Control begins when you first make a decision to gain control over any area of your life that is running wild and dominating you by coralling it and cutting it off from anything that can feed it. An example is changing your body by getting rid of all the junk food, candy, sugar, and soda from your home, then refusing to shop in any of the aisles because everything that healthy and keeps you healthy and within your weight limit like fresh vegetables and lean meat is mostly located at the perimeter of the grocery store.
    Be aware that Control does not make you self disciplined.It extends to doing cardio-vascular exercise everyday and lifting weights to build muscle mass while remaining hyper aware of situations that could cause you to break your diet or skip exercise. You will still get strong urges to eat junk food, and sleep in when you should be hitting the treadmill, but you fight these urges and restrain them every time they strain at their leash.Most men never rise above this stage and frequently fall out of it altogether.


    Cleanse: This is beyond merely restraining you bad habits and impulses. You’ve gone through the pain of control and in the process developed inner strength and ideals that have roots in your beliefs. Cleansing involves preventing them from arising in the first place. Simply controlling your impulses does not make you self disciplined. A man at this stage of self discipline realizes that every time he gives in to an impulse, he wastes energy that could be spent more creatively towards efforts such as business or creating financial freedom for himself, building up his health and physique or making his mark in the world.
    The men making big moves in the world today are the men who have achieved this stage of self discipline.They are more capable of sticking to their goals. They work longer, harder hours. They make more money that you, have sex with more women than you, have better bodies than you, drive nicer cars, things happier thoughts, live in nicer homes, vacation in nicer places and get more fulfillment of life than you.
    This is not an intellectual understanding-its a realization . Just as you realize that stuffing yourself with beans makes you gassy and leads to farting, so do you instinctively realize once you have reached the Cleansing stage that constantly masturbating, for instance, kills your drive to be successful. Men at this stage may still feel the tug of their beastly days, but his realization of the truth always keeps in in check.Few men have the perseverance to reach this level. Those who live on this level usually keep doing whatever it takes to stay there.


    Cutting Loose: The third stage of self-discipline, cutting loose, is the process of cutting out all the weak impulses and useless thoughts from your mind. This is a process that takes time. As a man begins to grow in stage two, his realization only grows deeper and he sees that every weak and beastly impulse of his eventually disappears from his life as he exercises greater and greater Control. He starts understanding and gaining deeper qualities in his life such as love and compassion.


    Without self discipline in your life, you are nothing more than an animal. A man who is a slave to pornography, despite the lies he tells himself to the contrary, despite his education, position in society, family or job, is still a slave and he knows it. He just chooses to remain a slave.


    There is an amazing life out there for you as a man, but if you keep giving in to your weaknesses because they feel better; if you keep masturbating because you love the excitement, endless variety, the thrill and pleasure of ejaculation, then you just chose the life of an animal over that of a real man.
    If you know compulsive porn use is the “cornerstone habit” in your life, changing the habit will be the one change you need to make to flip your life around.
     
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  2. marvin_devin

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    I've believed this type of philosophy for a while, but I could never get myself out of that hole I dug myself into. All the different articles, books, and blogs that deal with men self improvement stated that self-discipline is the only way you can achieve your goals. My goal is to no longer use porn as means of pleasure, I want to be able to regain my confidence and worth.
     
  3. faptastic

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    who is poisoning us? what can we do about it?

    Yes, it's up to us to start exercising our self discipline, but what about the people who for whatever reason (nurture vs nature?) have a weaker mind, and have lost control of their mind and program to "them"?

    It's not ok to externalize your power, but it's understandable WHY people are doing it with the way the "system" is.....

    So instead of just helping our selves and "complaining" about it.....


    When do we step up and actually DO something? And how?

    I suppose sites like this are a great start, but maybe they don't emphasize the fact that this is part of an intentional poisoning of the human race enough in my opinion.
     
  4. GuyWhoWillStopPMOing

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    Very good thread, man. But I would like to disagree on this part about competition. Of course our world is filled with competition, but I personlly don't like to set my goals based on others' achievements.
    Competition is a good thing, if you don't let it take control of your life. A better thing is to compete with yourself. Today you need to be better than what you were yesterday. Feel free to disagree, but I am happy this way.
    PS: I tried to access your blog, but my internet filter (a Firefox add-on called "AntiPorn") did not let me do it!
     
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  5. Mark

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mgn-fXZRiM;)
     
  6. I'm going to ask a very stupid question but I thoroughly read ChrisHaven post - which are always brilliant, thanks chap - and I wanted to know if it also applies to women. Especially about the hormones, and how a girl isn't ""supposed"" to go towards men, and are supposed to wait for them.

    This thread is particularly interesting for me because for the first time of my life I just discovered that I was actually able to have self-discipline, which is a discovery equivalent to find life on Mars. Personally, I have the immense chance of knowing exactly when something become an addiction and this was also the case for PMO. I always knew I was addicted during this time, and this was a big part of my depressions, but I had not decided to change so it never changed. I still were addicted. I tried to stop, went clean for two months, but as it wasn't me who really had decided, my comeback two months later was one of the most intense thing I've ever experienced. it went worse when I arrived in my dorm room, alone.

    I'm afraid to say that I think I'm still at the Control stage. Or most clearly, I'm on the edge of Control and Cleanse. I don't watch porn and I work with porn imagery all the time but I lie to myself by watching concert videos which excite me a hundred times more. I apply to concert videos - which don't get me wrong absolutely aren't bad - the same state of mind I applied to porn when I was addicted. I'll not be self disciplined until I get down on the but as there's nothing wrong with them itselves and it's just ME who consider them as being dangerous (same thing goes for fetishisms I guess, having tricophilia when I see someone absolutely non sexual with a particular haircut or pilosity I get urges extremely harder than normal porn) it just seem impossible and very unfair.

    I also think I'm doing part of stage 3 but is it possible? To go through all part a bit? I cut loose some of things (like raw porn) but as I said, what's """porn-like""" for me now seems impossible to quit. And should I really quit it? I don't masturbate to this material; it doesn't make me relapse. But it's still extremely stimulating.
     
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  7. ChrisHaven

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    Anon Hymous, here is a link to my thread in the forum with my full story


    http://www.nofap.org/forum/showthread.php?4724-I-got-over-12-years-of-PMO&p=26972#post26972

    I am not referring to competition- although I use comparisons. These are men who ARE competing with themselves to achieve their goals. If you are no achieving any of your life goals and constantly settling, chances are you lack self discipline.Either the discipline to work hard,to persevere in the face of failure, or to make sacrifices consistently.
    Yes, sometimes filters will block out the site because of the domain name :)

    cocorosie, in my opinion, it is possible to find yourself between Control and cleanse, but arriving at Cutting Loose is a very apparent occurance. There will be no question or confusion about it once yo have arrived.
     
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  8. William

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    Really enjoyed the post, Chris. As I told aron once, this place has enough students, we need more teachers. So, teach.

    With your permission I would like to repost your comments on my thread.

    Let me know.

    Will I AM.

    Peace.
     
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