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Permanently getting rid of sex drive?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by dissolve, Jan 21, 2024.

  1. dissolve

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    celiac
     
  2. tsukuyomi16

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    Ah, that's a bummer. You gotta watch yourself, make sure you don't see yourself liacking by eating bread, hahaha.

    I imagine pmo is a similar case where after 90 days it's no big deal. I've literally not gone more than 19 days without watching porn for the last ten years, so I couldn't tell you, but I'll let you know once I do. I'm curious, has your new diet effected your sex drive, btw?
     
  3. Littlefella

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    Permanent is drastic and quite unnecessary, like chopping off a limb because you desire never to walk again. This goes against the nature of all living things, which is preservation, protection and procreation.

    Now it is possible to diminish significantly sexual desires, primarily through purpose and perception.

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    The person with a purpose he devotes himself to and gains great sense of reward and accomplishment generally can reduce the need to gain the same though sexual means.
    However many highly successful men are also highly promiscuous.

    Thus the greater need to change perception.

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    To simplify discussion, assuming you are attracted to women only. Ask yourself:
    What does womenhood represent to you?
    Why would you crave for them?
    What outcome does being with them benefit you?
    What are they doing to attract general attention?
    To whose benefit does this bring?
    What are the costs of this engagement
    What are the longer term costs?

    So this brings about philosophical, psychological and social exploration.

    Over extensive self reflection, I came to the following personal conclusions:
    1. No online ladies will ever benefit me
    2. No random strangers will ever benefit me
    3. Any new relationship will cost my current one dearly
    4. I am unwilling to let go of my current one
    5. Any women gained is an added responsiblity, not entitlement, not enjoyment
    6. Any partnership formed ought to provide more benefits than costs.
    7. Any partnership formed ought to practically make my life better, not worse

    Eventually I will seek to build that one relationship with my partner only, because I can see no beneficial outcome with any other. In fact, anything else spells detrimental.
    It is this inability to see a future with others, the recognition that it is detrimental, that keeps me from having out of control sexual desires.
    E.g. Jalapenos are hot and spicy, but I don't want to be burnt, so I won't have them. End of discussion.

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    Now, if it means having no partner and no sexual desires altogether, you'd either need
    1. Chemical castration or
    2. Directed psychological alteration.
    Psychological alteration is to take my discussion above and take it to the extreme. Complete annihilation of any cravings and desires.

    Buddhists does this with a form of meditation and study. It is to visualize the decay of the body through decomposition to eventually bone and dust. It is meant more for the study and acceptance of impermenece, but is also extended for abstinence and desire control.

    It is an innate nature for most living things to avoid the ugly, grotesque and disgusting. If you can imagine all desired folks to fester and decay in your mind, that their body is full of bacteria and disagreeble stuff, full of microscopic weeping wounds and constantly breaking down, you will lose interest quickly.
    But be warned, it is very potent and may warp your mind. Be very careful and do so only with great and kind guidance.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_stages_of_decay
     
  4. dissolve

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    Makes sense.

    Either way, congrats on your current no PM streak! Very impressive. My record is barely half of yours. Something for me to aspire to!
     
  5. dissolve

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    Thank you for this response! Both the content and effort are highly appreciated. I'm familiar with this Buddhist practice and practice meditation a great deal, but I've always found this practice a little "intense" for my liking.

    Basically, I want to go no PMO for long enough that my sex drive basically goes into a hibernation mode that could only be reversed with great effort (an effort which I am unlikely to exert because I don't like sexuality). I am indeed attracted to women but despise sexuality and see romantic relationships are 100% a burden -- an added responsibility, as you pointed out. On the other hand, casual sex does not interest me at all. I have some female friends and definitely treasure their friendship but I strongly dislike the idea of sexuality altogether.
     
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  6. It's not easy bro. The first 35 days were more or less a lowered libido/travelling for holidays gave me a different environment and less desire for PM. Libido is back in full swing this week and resisting the urges is tough. Thankfully, after many failed attempts I have learned that if I just pick up a book and read for 5 minutes, it all goes away.

    Breaking PMO is about setting good habits to replace the bad, pure strength will not pull you through. It's hard, but once you get on a good streak you can't stand the idea of resetting. Just keep looking forward!

    Would you ever start a journal? I'd be keen to keep up with how you're going.
     
  7. dissolve

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    I don't think my diet impacted it really tbh
     
  8. dissolve

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    Interesting!

    I'm definitely all on board with replacing old bad habits with new good ones. I've completely renovated my entire lifestyle, leave my smart phone at home whenever I'm out, set a limit for 2 hours a day max on the computer, have started meditating, etc. I used to dream journal when I was trying to lucid dream but don't anymore.
     
  9. A8X

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    I asked the same question many many years ago and i have made two conclusions:
    1. No, not without harming yourself.
    2. You really do not want to suppress your sex drive permanently, even if it was possible. If you suppress it, you will also suppress most of your emotions. You will not be able to feel any joy, motivation or meaning. That kind of state is a psychological suicide.
     
  10. dissolve

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    How can this be though? There are monks throughout history in various religious traditions who were celibate their entirely lives. It would be incorrect to say that they had no joy, motivation or meaning.
     
  11. A8X

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    There is a huge difference between suppressing and channelling (transcending) the sexual energy. This is what a Buddhist master had to say about sexual energy:

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  12. SuperFan

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    NoFap gives new meaning to the scripture "if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off," doesn't it? hahaha
     
  13. SuperFan

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    Yes, the cravings can and will diminish as you condition yourself to more normal stimuli, just like you experienced with junk food.

    CS Lewis wrote, "... the sexual appetite, like our other appetites, grows by indulgence. Starving men may think much about food, but so do gluttons." (the entire context for this passage--which is fantastic--can be found here).

    However, unlike alcoholism, drug use, etc., the goal in sex addiction recovery isn't complete abstinence. After all, we are sexual beings--our sexuality is fused to our humanity. So instead, we have to approach our addiction similar to those who abuse food in addictive ways: they can't simply stop eating altogether, so they have to condition themselves to rediscover a healthy relationship with food. Likewise, the goal of a sex addict isn't to become asexual, but to learn how to only express his/her sexuality in healthy ways.
     
  14. dissolve

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    It's still possible to experience sexual desire when impotent though, if the impotence is the result of a physical abnormality in someone with an otherwise normal sex drive.

    It would be nice if some kind of operation could be performed on the penis to make an erection physically impossible, but sexuality still present so it could be properly channeled for spiritual purposes.
     
  15. Olympus2567

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    As long as you have normal hormones you will have it. You have the urges for a reason but this modern society exploits it.
     
  16. big_boi

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    A lot of bullshit advise here. Simply put if you want np sexual desire you need to cleanse your mind first. Cleanse all sexual thoughts untill there is no left.
     
  17. A8X

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    Sexuality resides in our brain, not in our penis. Ability to get an erection or not is a different mechanism. But yeah, channel the sexual energy into productiveness, love, compassion, spirituality etc is the proper way to go.
     

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