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OVERSEAS WHILE BACKPACKING - SOUTHEAST ASIA

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by solsticeboy, Mar 28, 2017.

  1. solsticeboy

    solsticeboy Fapstronaut

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    So here's the scoop:

    I'm going overseas to Vietnam IN 3 DAYS and haven't gotten my NOFAP or porn use under total control. Lately I've been slipping although I've been going into the pattern of not fapping for a few days (or at least edging with or without porn/nudies)...I've deleted my old jpg collection, haven't looked at craigslist personals and have watched LESS PORN but looked more at tumblr blogs and the like.

    The first time I was overseas backpacking (in Europe) I masturbated in about 10-15 different hostels and workaway hosts' places (obviously I cleaned up and did it privately) while looking at porn on my phone and feel ASHAMED AND REGRET IT. I also got so hung up on hooking up and falling in love with a girl in one of those lovely countries (France, Netherlands, Czech Republic or UK) but it didn't really happen. So I set myself up for failure with high expectations. Then again, how do you not go overseas to Europe and get laid after a night out, in a hostel or on the road?

    That was a BIG mistake. I'm not making it again. Going overseas hoping to get a girlfriend or get laid is a nice bonus - NOT a priority.

    I would think that most of the younger people in those countries (Vietnam, Thailand, Burma, Cambodia, Laos, etc) are perhaps a bit more liberal and maybe open to talking about sex in a liberal fashion that isn't puritannical or rigidly socially conservative like their parents and grandparents' generations. However, I get the impression the societal taboos about sex and such mean I'm going into a place where I can't be myself and occasionally fap to relieve myself (privately) or even deal with internal symptoms of withdrawal.

    Short of it is I'm scared I'm going into a sociocultural minefield with my problem. Thoughts, suggestions & solutions?

    (Note: Anyone FROM those countries who is dealing with NoFap lemme know how it's going in your country and the vibes I could get from talking to people of Asian descent and such - but it's not like I'm going there to open up myself fully).
     
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  2. HappyDaysAreHereAgain

    HappyDaysAreHereAgain Fapstronaut

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    I'm not from Asia, but I have travelled, and I'm interrested in other cultures and places.
    Increased stress can increase urges to fap. It will not be easy, but if you commit to avoid PMO, you can do it, and it could help you to enjoy everything else more.
    Be careful! Many North Americans go to SE Asia for sexual exploits, and there is a well developed infrastructure to provide whatever. Policing is also stepping up both there and from here. The possible bad outcomes are unimaginable, prison conditions and diseases.
    Safe sex means don't even think about it, unless you go together.
     
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  3. solsticeboy

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    Yes I've heard about sex tourism in SE Asia. I'm not going down that road. AT ALL. I've heard that people get mugged, beaten and left with injuries and that's outside of being caught doing the naughty with minors or being charged with rape or anything that the legal system will defer to the innocence of their own citizens.

    If anything happens, it'll be with another traveller/expat...someone who shares the same romantic/sexual values & beliefs and I know personally. But how can I curb my anxiety over the desire to fap and look at nudes online from time to time?
     
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  4. Overfloweth

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    Apologies now for the long post - started and couldn't stop haha

    Hey my friend. Your post piqued my interest, mainly because I've travelled a lot in SE Asia. Overall I've spent maybe 4 years in various places, from India, to Tibet to Philippines.

    A few things struck me...firstly...why do we travel at all? What experiences are we seeking? There's no doubt loads of reasons, but for me it was mostly about expanding my consciousness, I think. Seeing the world a fresh, through the eyes of an uninitiated and curious outsider. The chance to observe more, to gain new and alternative perspectives. And in the process maybe learn a little more about myself and my place in the wider world. What I'm trying to say is, it's as much an inner journey of self discovery as it is an outer journey to far flung places. So take this approach with you on your travels. Maybe this is the perfect opportunity to reappraise your views on sex and relationships, maybe even how you view others, irrespective of gender :)

    From my own experiences in Asia I became completely chaste for a period of about 2 and a half years - admittedly I was older than yourself - mid 30s - and maybe at a different stage of my life, but still, it felt perfectly natural and right for me to do that at the time - all my 'sexual energy' was instead put towards spiritual growth and the like. Something I can say that absolutely changed my life.

    The other thing you'll probably find is just how over-sexualised life in the West can be - something you can only really appreciate when you step outside. At least I hope the East hasn't caught up with us in the 7 years since I was last there - that would be disappointing. I'm oversimplify this to make a point, but you may well find that a change in your environment i.e. reduced sexual stimulation (from advertising, entertainment, fashion etc) actually dampens lust and sexual desire. I know it did for me.

    The final thing is, I was really curious as to why you seem more concerned about not being able to fap in another country than you are about not fapping in your own country? Lol. This got me thinking - or supposing - maybe we find it easier to hide 'what we consider' our shameful behaviours in a familiar environment that we have more control over - it's easier to be secretive - and we fear loosing that ability to hide those behaviours that deep down we feel ashamed about. Maybe just being in an unfamiliar country with unfamiliar people brings our inner conflicts about our own behaviours into sharper relief. Why would we feel more shame about fapping in an unfamiliar place than we would in a familiar place? Not saying that 'healthy' fapping is right or wrong, that's a personal choice, but it is interesting how our own conscience might change depending on where we are and the context of our surroundings.
     
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  5. HappyDaysAreHereAgain

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    If you can't find something more interesting to look at than P, you have no business traveling. I have seen people travel over 5,000 miles to eat at McDonald's. Enjoy what you find there.
    Why are you going? I hope it is not for faster wi-fi. It should really help your reboot. My father finally succeeded in giving up smoking when he volunteered for two weeks at a church camp. He came back feeling so good that he packed up everything he had related to smoking and took it all to a neighbor who smoked. A big change in routine can support a big break with a bad habit. On the other hand, it can be an opportunity to take your habit to a new level. Avoid that at all costs.
    When do you leave?
     
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  6. I_Give_Up

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  7. solsticeboy

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    I'm already here. Spent 5 days in Hanoi and am now on Cat Ba Island...the goal WAS to teach english to make money for further travels and explorations in SE Asia & Australia/NZ...

    ...I say WAS because I worry now my priorities have changed and I've made a mistake...I went to an outdoor bia hoi (it's where ppl sit on these little plastic chairs/tables and drink beer) and then went to a nightclub. Quite a few partiers from the backpacker's hostel - lots of pretty girls. I went to a small club with some people and went in to dance and see what could happen; quite a few ppl were dancing and having fun but I noticed others making out and saw a girl I was getting to know in a group chatting with this other guy and he was touching her sensually with no lack of confidence - or hesitation or courtesy- whatsoever. I took a bike back to my hostel and tried to sleep and not dwell but it just kept bugging me and THEN this Australian-Israeli couple were having sex for like over an hour in the bed in the corner...quietly but just knowing they were getting action and I hadn't gotten anywhere near there made me feel low and like crap..obviously I didn't sleep that night.

    It brought back memories of how I wanted to meet girls and hookup while on the road in Europe. Now I'm now worried I came overseas to make money teaching english so I could travel and hopefully meet someone and fall in love/have sex

    Now obviously that's a stupid reason to travel...I don't want to head home and I've already been here a week and the food's good, weather nice (bloody hot), history & lifestyle interesting and people friendly and cool. I want to have a have new experienes in new places with new people, grow and evolve and become more open minded.

    So how do I get the sex/hookup part off my mind when I'm travelling/working and still have confidence to talk and approach a pretty girl if I see one while NOT losing sight of my main goal?

    Please help, I want to make the best decision and want to run home (which I don't plan on ).
     
  8. Monster Carrot

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    You're over-thinking it. You are in a foreign country for a limited time, just forget about all this going on in your head and have fun and enjoy the experience. Don't try to force anything.
     
  9. GoAway

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    Dude, I'm also backpacking in Vietnam at the moment and I've failed. But the only reason i fail is because I think about sex and girls all the time. Try to let girls just be girls and not sexual objects and forget about porn. Live in the moment and have the best time of your life, that is what I'm trying to do.
     

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