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Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by Kahlan_Amnell, Aug 30, 2017.

  1. Kahlan_Amnell

    Kahlan_Amnell Fapstronaut

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    My husband started his first reboot 2 weeks ago and we're having a rough go of it. We're both very new to this and had no idea how harmful excessive porn use can be until he made this decision.

    He has been struggling with anxiety, depression, low Lebito, brain fog, and low energy. I'm trying to be there for him however he needs me and to stay positive for him but this all makes me feel so helpless.

    All this on top of the fact that he is getting ED. I haven't pushed for sex, but he felt the need to try and he has failed a couple of times. I'm sure it makes him feel just terrible, I put on my big girl panties and told him it was fine and not to feel bad. But deep down it really hurts, rationally I know this is all related to getting over an addiction. But it really hurts to feel rejected like that, especially since I have always struggled with self esteem issues. How do you guys get through the ED without feeling like an undesirable failure? I have already told him not to make himself try to have sex if He's not feeling it. We decided to abstain for the next week and see how it goes. But I'd be lying if I said this isn't affection me.
     
  2. You should hit up th Significant Others forum. A lot of ladies suffering what you're going through with good guidance and advice.
     
  3. Don't take his ED personally. Take this reboot time to take care of yourself. Look up Betrayal Trauma to see if you might need help with depression/anxiety/PTSD possibly brought about by your H's PA. Two weeks is just a beginning. You may be thrown into a full-blown aftereffects much later. I'm in month 5 or 6 of my BF's recovery, and only last month was diagnosed with severe anxiety and depression. Even staying away from work for some weeks now and taking meds. This shit is serious and takes months or even years to fix. I wish you both the best in your recoveries. Your H might consider hard-mode for some time, since it seems he is quite affected by his PA. That would mean no P, no M, and no O (so no sex for you either) for at least 90 days or more. Some couples do karezza (no orgasm sex) or a lot of cuddling. You might also consider an arrangement where he gives you O, but doesn't O himself. It's tough, but you can make it. Many of us are in the same boat and we're still here fighting.
     
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  4. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    My SO suffered from PIED.
    Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction.
    It's tough.
    It can actually take up to 2 years to reset so we are doing a custom Reboot of 3 years and 36 days.
    He's a year plus PM free right now.
    PIED really sucks.
    How can I help?
    Two weeks is just the beginning... Are you doing a period of abstinence?
    Those are generally recommended for PIED cases.
    How long has he had it?
    That and how long has he been a user? (been watching porn?) those two things should tell you how long to abstain for best results.
    Most people just do the 90 days reboot but it's not as effective for lifelong reboot as my SO discovered.
    So I guess it depends on what your goals are.
    If you have any questions, you can feel free to ask me anything you like.
    :)
     
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  5. Kahlan_Amnell

    Kahlan_Amnell Fapstronaut

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    I don't think It's PIED. The ED didn't start until after the reboot, when he was watching porn he had no issues with ED. I think this is more stress and depression related due to the reboot. Not sure how it all works though. He started watching porn at 18 and he is 27 now, he would use it 1-3 times a day through those 9 years. We decided to abstain starting for a week and see how he feels.

    I also told him not to make a big deal out of it if he feels like He's ready. I figured sitting down and having a discussion might bring back some anxiety rather than just jumping into it if he is feeling it. Is that the right way to go about it?
     
  6. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    That's generous of you and yes be supportive if you feel like it's the right way in recovery.
    However, if he can get it up for a screen everytime, no problem but then have issues in real life once the screen is taken away... That's PIED.
    There is a whole section of the forum devoted to it, if you want to check it out, not just take my word for it.
    Post the rest of his symptoms and get feedback from there as well.
    Generally most SOs are supportive until a relapse, which is where things get difficult in my opinion because with every addiction they say it's ok to relapse... But the truth is unlike drugs, which will kill you, porn is silent and selfish, which leaves the SO hurt the worst.
    It sounds to me like you are very strong.
    That's great.
    The anxiety and disconnection and discomfort he is going to go through will be alot so he is very fortunate to have you.
    What is his plan or your plan going forward?
    Everyone likes to say no porn... But P-Subs and triggers will throw you under the bus and nobody protects against them the first go around usually... So I like to ask.
     
  7. Kahlan_Amnell

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    I have never been a big porn user myself and my libido is generally on the lower end so it shouldn't be a problem to abstain for a while.

    I was watching a show last night while H was doing homework and a sex scene came on and I didn't think twice about it for a moment but then quickly apologised and fast forwarded through it. He said it was fine and not a problem but wouldn't that be harmful for him to see/hear?

    My plan is just to support him as much as I can and try not to another him. We agreed this morning that I won't being this up anymore now that I am educated and asked him all the questions I had. If he wants to bring it up I am happy to listen and talk about it. But i will take conversation back to how it used to be so we can go back to some kind of normalcy and out lives don't revolve around his reboot.

    He is also kicking a bad video game habit right now too. And honestly that was the issue in our marriage more than the porn. I don't have hurt feelings or trauma from his porn use, but I do very much so from the video game use. We honestly are going through a tough time financially and we have no health insurance so therapy is out of the question. It would be $50 a session and I'm congenerating on making sure we have money for car insurance and electricity.
     
  8. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    If really depends on if it was bad.
    My SO can't watch any sex on TV
    He gets the dopamine drip.
    Here is his recovery plan https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/rock-stars-lists.124256/
    Some other resources are linked in there too.
    Like Anna's resources
    Those are great too
    You might not want to revolve life around it... But ignoring it will lead him away too.
    It's kind of a fine balance.
    They have to police themselves, but at the same time, show you they are doing it. Just saying it usually means not
     
  9. Kahlan_Amnell

    Kahlan_Amnell Fapstronaut

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    His plan is complete abstinence for now. He doesn't have a set amount of time because the long length gets him anxious so He's kind of taking it a day at a time. His anxiety is the killer right now. His Lebito is so low He's not worried about a relapse, He's worried about mood issues.

    He's doing the cold showers, going to they gym, started drawing, and we're cooking together at night now. He's hoping to replace bad habits with these new good habits. He's reluctant to put down a concrete plan because it applies pressure on him. I told him to sign up here for support but he's saying He's too busy and staying away from all social media.

    I will check out your husband's plan and see if he'd like to take a look to see what the plans look like.

    How do you still feel desirable during these times? I have a generally low Lebito but It's effecting me pretty hard. I lost 90 lbs since we got married and I work very hard on my body at the gym and with strict eating. It hurts to not feel wanted when I put in so much work to make myself look and feel good. I know It's selfish and petty but I can't help having a self esteem dump about all this. I want to feel sexy and wanted but I guess I just have to set my feelings aside for now?
     
  10. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    No.
    Do not put you aside.
    It's so important.
    Make even a hour for you.

    And we all here have self esteem issues.
    Check out the treat yourself thread.

    And his anxiety is probably alot of the PMO.
    No joke.
    My SO didn't even used to make eye contact to the point where people thought he was autistic because if his fidgeting.
    He's not and he looks at people now and joins conversations.
    Crazy.
    Also, know that my SO did not want to be part of the 95% who don't stay clean for life.
    He was all like I'm A Unicorn! And looked at the normal reboot plan, and rebooted it.
    People wanted to know... So I posted the Lists. It's helpful. It is.
    Anna's Resources are great too
    .. Her guy and my SO are days apart for reboot actually.
    They have two different strategies but both work. So the resources and lists are linked together now so people can make their own structure
     
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  11. A couple of things I noticed reading this.

    1. He has PIED. He gets it up for lorn but not real sex. That is the major sympton. It will pass
    2. He needs to have a plan. Saying "I don't want a plan b/c it puts pressure on em"'is bllshit. If he doesn't have a plan he will fail. He needs to read up on rebooting basics.
    2. His libido is low b/c his brain is adjusting to not getting constant dopamine hits from porn. It will go up and down from"flatline"'to periods of incrediblely powerful cravings. He needs to make sure No. 2 has been implemented to deal.
    3. I think he's lucky to have such an awesome woman who supports him but don't make excuses for him. Ultimately this is his problem and he needs to deal with it.
    4. Gym is great. He needs to do a lot of that.
    5. Cooking together is awesome.
    6. Dealing with video game addiction is same as the porn--exact same mechanics.

    Reach out if you have questions
     
  12. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    Do you by chance have the great porn experiment video?
     
  13. Kahlan_Amnell

    Kahlan_Amnell Fapstronaut

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    I will push him to make a plan. He thinks It's not important but I'll have him read some stuff telling him otherwise.

    I do have one question. He has set himself up for worst case scenario in his mind, He's telling himself He's going to be a hard case and it'll take a year to reboot. I've been telling him not to think that way and think about the positives and convince himself he'll feel better sooner rather than later.

    On your experience and what you've researched does he seem like bad case or on the easier side?

    He spent all his adolescence masturbating with imagination and didn't start porn until he was 18. He only had 2 one night stands between the start of porn use and meeting me at 23 and having an active sex life. He used 1-3 times a day and never progressed into anything outside of his normal interests. He never had issues with ED with me until the robot started, but he was pretty sexually aggressive. Unwanted grabbing and advances that made me feel uncomfortable, pressure to have sex but never forcing. After reboot he has had some pretty bad on and off depression and anxiety, brain fog, he had gotten very gentle and touches me completely different, and of course the ED that causes stress which causes more ED and an endless cycle. He says he is starting to get his "morning wood" back the last 2 days.

    Any suggestions on how He's doing or progressing? I'm really completely in the dark here.
     
  14. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    I'd say hes more of a masterbastion addict (haha)
    Yeah it's totally PIED if he was jerkin That much.
    He's not the worst case around here. Trust.
    And making comments like that are not great.
    Guys use 90 days as a jump point for a year then to life.
    If he wants a year reboot, let him do a year.
    Some guys actually are.
    Like I said... My guy chose a 3 years reboot.
    Be supportive.... Be like, yes! A year.
    A year, in a lifetime is a blink.
    No relapse or reset or porn or P-Subs for a year then.
    I'll link you some stuff on Flatline... I'm sure that'll scare the crap out of him.
    And tell him not to edge the morning wood
     
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