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Neuroplasticity. Truth or Fiction.

Discussion in 'Self Improvement' started by Linerider, Oct 30, 2023.

  1. Linerider

    Linerider Fapstronaut

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    What gave me hope to go on a 7 month streak back in the day was discovering the concept of neuroplasticity. I would read self help book that spoke about this and this gave me so much hope. That the brain can be wired in any way you want with repeated actions and self belief. That you can leave any thoughts you don't like. That you can learn anything you want (programming etc. ) if you are determined.
    That the brain will change. I was driven by that idea.
    Then I came across some scepticism of that notion. That that effect is only marginal. And only till 25 years. Which I was sad to hear.
    Recently I saw a 30 min documentary about porn addiction (can't find it now) that featured young people that are/were struggling and also doctors who spoke on this issue. They were saying that neuroplasticity is very much real and they spoke of it with a radiance in there eyes.
    So that was motivating.
    I guess I'm searching for certainty on the matter. That would raise my motivation.
    People consider me intelligent. But there some subjects I'm a little afraid to dive deep into bc I was always told I'm bad at them. Told to stand up as a young child and asked in front of everyone why is it that you can't do this Mr lol So I guess some subjects are linked to fear and shame in my brain. Which is not helpful.
    I'm in quite good shape physically.
    So I'm interested more in hearing stories about getting smarter, become a more eloquent speaker, overcoming childhood fears/programming, learning and mastering something nobody thought you could learn.
    I feel this side of recovery/excellence gets spoken of less than the physical one (which is understandable). If you know some inspirational posts and stories or evidence that convinced you or neuroplasticity, please let me know.
     
  2. I have been working on my communication skills and learning small talk over the past few years. If I were to compare myself to the old me, I could confidently say I have vastly improved. I am more confident when communicating with people and I no longer suffer from awkward silence when trying to hold a conversation. Everything in life requires effort and exposure, you will gradually become better at things if you expose yourself to them and put in genuine effort. Another thing I have been working on is my grammar, I try being as grammatically correct when I write articles or in my journal; I use the app Grammarly which helps me out. If I had to sum everything I said into a few words, I would say this. Be brave and go for it. You should research scholarly articles on neuroplasticity, they are the most reliable sources.
     
  3. Linerider

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    I did read from different books and wrote an essay on the topic of neuroplasticity in college. I was trying to argue for it based on the fact that I had read so much on it in self help books but I did get a feeling that it's a little more controversial than I had thoughtsl.
    So that's why I'm searching for certainty and closure on this topic.
    My mind or a voice in my mind is telling me that it's just the self help books selling hope. On the other hand, for example I remember watching a lecture on the neuroscience of addiction on YouTube where the professor states that most people who are addicted do make a successful recovery from addiction (which would make an argument for neuroplasticity in adults).

    I know that there are people who are battling addiction but still thriving and improving constantly in other areas such as sports let's say. But I've always done quite well in this area so I don't feel like I have witnessed neuroplasticity on a grand level personally (atleast can't think of at this moment).
    I have learned a lot. But I feel like I still have unrealized potential in terms of learning/studying.

    That's great to hear that you were able to make so much progress in terms of small talk and also grammar.
     
  4. I think Neuroplasticity is True for the very reason that people can get addicted in the first place.
    No one was born addicted to x,y,z.
    The person who gets hooked on coke has experienced neuroplasticity.
    The person who gets hooked on porn has experienced neuroplasticity.
    The noble thing that you, me and everyone here on NF is doing is simply engaging in neuroplasticity in a healthy, ordered direction :)
     
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  5. Linerider

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    That's a good point!
    I like that idea!
     
  6. I swear if I see another post about the "brain only maturing at 25" thing on this site I'm going to scream. Dude, it's a myth. It's a myth that has been pushed so much that people take it as gospel truth. It differs wildly from person to person based on a million different factors to the extent it's impossible to truly prove or disprove. It's total pseudoscience.

    Anyway, yeah neuroplasticity is real. You absolutely can get over addictions and cure your brain. If people who got addicted to meth and heroin got clean, you can absolutely get clean from porn. Don't let yourself be demoralised.
     
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  7. They are referring to the prefrontal cortex.
     
  8. Yeah and it's a myth. I just google searched it and you get articles both arguing for and against it as a concept. None of us actually understand the science enough to know for sure, and honestly neither do the actual neuroscientists. Even OP himself said this when he presented two sides of the argument. It's not objective truth and shouldn't be treated as such. Even if it's an "average" that the prefrontal cortex matures at that age, there are still enough variable for the information to not be as clear-cut. I was just trying to make OP feel better.

    If I come across as snippy I apologize. It's because I saw this thread like 2 minutes after another thread where someone else said the exact same thing and it just bugs me every time lmao.
     
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  9. You're good. I suppose it does not really matter one way or another if it's real or not. Just stay away from PMO and you will be fine I believe.
     
  10. silex_jedi

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    i'm so glad you are asking the question... you can change your brain even after 25 but you need focus and alertness (requires effort) and sleep (which is when the brain actually rewires)... which mean you need to work to change in a way that you want to. but life for sure will bring stressful events that will make you learn you things! that's an ironic blessing...

    i redirect you to the Huberman Lab Podcasts first episodes... it takes a few hours of listening some episodes but it's really interesting if your interest is plasticity of the brain.

    it's a podcast so you only need to listen which is great. you can find it on Apple Podcasts or Spotify as well!

    i find this podcast very valuable because i like science and knowing how to get better at life (which i suck at right now)... but you should see for yourself. have a great day. don't lower your efforts! you can change your brain!
     
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  11. Linerider

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    Sorry for the late reply.
    Thank you brother for the encouraging words and the podcast recommendation.
    I will make to sure to listen to it. I know of Huberman but I have watched only short videos of his so far. I, like you, am also very interested in the science behind it, definitely.
     
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    From my personal perspective, regarding the principle of neuroplasticity, a neuron group generates a set of structures based on the signals it has received historically, and exists based on the principle of predicting the signal input at the next moment. Life-sustaining modules such as food and sex always predict errors (if your prediction is true, it will be false, if your prediction is false, it will be true), so dopamine will be secreted to ensure that the overall sexual behavior of the system will tend to be maintained. The state of not being hungry and sexually free. So what we can do is to adjust our cognition and behavior. We must realize what we must do to earn money for food, and what is the sex and love we expect. And think about these perceptions repeatedly and finally put them into practice. Praying before a meal is the best ritual. In addition to God, you should also think about your own actions in fighting for this meal. And with sex, falling in love and interacting with a real person, it's the forbidden fruit of love, not something that should be readily available. What you come into contact with and how you do it will lead to what kind of cognition it will lead to, and what kind of results it will lead to. It’s another day of running towards true freedom, hehe.
     
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