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Just saw a video titled" Porn Addiction Isnt Real" and it mad me very mad

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by fusion47, Sep 24, 2023.

  1. fusion47

    fusion47 Fapstronaut

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    Luckily many people in the comments were disagreeing and providing examples of why it is an addiction, but i am still extremely angry. The video basically said since theres no "withdrawal symptoms" you can just stop anytime you want. The video was made by a popular political advocate, so it was very dissapointing to see and more than anything, invalidating
     
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  2. DeepRecovery

    DeepRecovery Fapstronaut

    Unfortunately there's a lot of that, even if it's not outright invalidating plenty of people will just ignore it. They'll ignore the issue, and they'll ignore that it could be deeply impacting your life. I think a particularly horrific possibility is when a majority of people don't even recognize addictions as being addictions, and they have that view with multiple addictive behaviors.
     
  3. fusion47

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    I feel literally sick now...not just because of this but remembering how young i was when it all started. Ive ruined my entire life with this and am suicidal. Ive done very gross things to my own body and dont understand why. I can scientifically prove why its an addiction but thats the one thing i still cant figure out, is why i still did those things that goes against my sexual orientation, morals, etc.
     
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  4. onceaking

    onceaking Fapstronaut

    My view is porn consumption affects people in different ways. Some people are able to look at and not get addicted, some have a moderate addiction and others have a high level of addiction. Saying porn addiction isn't real or everyone who looks at porn is an addict is too simplistic. People are complex.
     
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  5. SoberGuy

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    It's simillar to alcohol and cigarrettes, both of them are already proved to be unhealthy in some ways and you still see people drinking alcohol or even smoking cigs (maybe doing both).
    P stuff is something that affects people differently, as alcohol and cigs (many people use those substances and last long than others, there is no one-size-fits-all) and different views will be shown.
    You don't need to accept that opinion and of course you don't need to foolow that person. Stay good and don't get mad at opinions you see that are not too well formed.
     
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  6. Semtex

    Semtex Fapstronaut

    You mean this?

    He has a point, if addiction is a mere persistent urge then anything can be described as "addictive" at which point the term loses its significance. On the other hand, nicotine withdrawals never killed anyone either as far as I know.
     
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  7. Warfman

    Warfman Fapstronaut

    I'll go ahead and say it. He has no idea what he's talking about saying there are no withdrawals from P addiction. I dealt with withdrawal symptoms from my PMO. I know many others have as well.

    I do think, he is right at the end though, it may not be easy to recover, but it is relatively simple. Especially when it comes to the withdrawals and struggles it causes. Just stopping, and detoxing the brain, does effectively work to reduce the withdrawals. The harder part is the making the lasting change in our lives to recover permanently.
     
  8. onceaking

    onceaking Fapstronaut

    Although some studies have claimed that a bit of wine can be good for you. Not that I care since I'm tee total.

    While on the subject of alcohol, it should be said not everyone who drinks it is an alcoholic. I can't help but think certain people are vulnerable to certain addictions due to how they're wired.
     
  9. En?gmatic

    En?gmatic Fapstronaut

    Duke you are a Soy? Porn addiction is real and will bring people crazy if they can't deal with their sexual energies. The only way is transmutate all these energies or coom in eternal, this is worse than normal addiction.
     
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  10. Semtex

    Semtex Fapstronaut

    Coom Eternal? I haven't even played the 2016 game yet
     
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  11. En?gmatic

    En?gmatic Fapstronaut

    I was just thinking about Coom Eternal too, I think it is a way gamer developers told you that if you play games you probably will develop a coom addiction.
     
  12. Semtex

    Semtex Fapstronaut

    Another reason why Duke is superior.

    By the way, it looks like some memelord already discovered this concept and put in the work:
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  13. DeepRecovery

    DeepRecovery Fapstronaut

    Just because an issue is not easily categorized (as addiction by the clinical definition) it doesn't mean there is no issue or no meaning, it just means it doesn't fit that pigeonhole. See Bruce Alexanders 'final paper', (section 6 deals with what definition is used to qualify) he's the one that did the Rat Park studies that Hari popularized through that TED talk. It's actually questionable whether the simplistic view of addiction constitutes real understanding even if it's popular, much of it is just a description of the particular issue not a detailed understanding of the cause and effect of how it works.
    https://brucekalexander.com/article...nal-conversation-with-addiction-professionals
     
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  14. DeepRecovery

    DeepRecovery Fapstronaut

    It's like saying because everything is ultimately related, your particular situation and other peoples situation like yours doesn't exist or is meaningless.
     
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2023
  15. TheLoneWolf88

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    That's what people will say who are not addicted
     
  16. LostSon41

    LostSon41 Fapstronaut

    I think Matt have is pretty on point. He might be wrong about the withdrawal symptoms, but in my personal experience I’ve never had them before. Also, he’s right about us using the term “addiction” as a crutch. We are broken people, with a terrible habit. But treating it as a disease that is out of our control is also a huge problem. I see a lot of people on here justifying their failures and making light of them because it’s something out of their control. Instead of taking big steps, they take tons of tiny steps. Suddenly, it’s been 5 years and their highest streak is 14 days no porn. You’ve gotta treat this problem like a symptom of your poor personal choices and routine. Everyone who succeeds in here is a different person by the time they quit.
     
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  17. Joe1023

    Joe1023 Fapstronaut

    To say that there is no such thing as porn addiction is just a stupid thing to do. He clearly doesn't struggle with watching porn and gives his opinion, as usual, as fact. I agree with him saying the solution is simple and not easy, but to say that just because we don't have any risk to health or life if we stop is just stupid. That would mean that only the hard-core drugs are addictive.
    Eating wouldn't be an addiction.
    Gambling wouldn't be an addiction.
    Alcohol wouldn't be an addiction.
    Shopping wouldn't be an addiction.
    Exercise wouldn't be an addiction.
    Social media wouldn't be an addiction.

    I have agreed with a LOT Matt has said in the past, but awhile back I saw something that made me question some of his logic. But this video has put a screeching halt to my interest in Matt Walsh.
     
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  18. LostSon41

    LostSon41 Fapstronaut

    I don’t know if you listened to the entire video but I disagree with you. I think he is intention in what he is saying is for porn-addicted people to not classify themselves as addicts in need of outside help or physical treatment because unlike drug addiction it usually doesn’t. The message he is trying to make is true - many people use the term “addiction” as a crutch, and it prolongs the porn problem because some may see themselves in need of assistance they are unable to obtain. I disagree with Matt in the fact that porn isn’t addiction due to definition - what he’s saying isn’t wrong but it isn’t really right either. I think we should classify “substance addictions” separately from “behavioral addictions.”

    Substance - alcohol, nicotine, drugs, smoking

    Behavioral- porn, gaming, gambling,
     
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  19. Joe1023

    Joe1023 Fapstronaut

    Yes, I watched the entire video. And I've seen the two categories of addictions. And yes, behavioral addictions are different, obviously, but Matt said that because there's no physical health risks with pornography, it's not an addiction. To me, as I watched it, I felt that he was absolutely stateing this as irrefutable fact. He didn't say it was his understanding or his opinion, he just said that without any health risks, it's not an actual addiction. And from what I've been able to find out, he has no formal education in addiction or psychology. Just an undergrad from DePaul, which wouldn't be more than a Bachelor's degree at best. So it seems like he's presenting his opinion on addiction as fact with nothing more that a Bachelor's degree. If porn isn't an addiction, then why Aldo so many people struggle to stop and why are there so many books, articles, podcasts, therapy sessions, websites, and 12 step programs dedicated to helping those that struggle with it?
     
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