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It's not just a porn problem ...

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by ruggerdoug, Jan 27, 2019.

  1. ruggerdoug

    ruggerdoug Fapstronaut

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    My therapist has told me several times that many times addicts need to relapse to find it in them to finish their work. I have many times felt over the last year or so that I was "almost" cured but I could cheat a little here or a little there on the abstinence from porn, dating apps, erotica and masturbation. I felt he was wrong because I was "almost" ok.

    I'm not ok.

    I set some strict objectives for myself at the end of the year. I took two weeks of vacation and worked on relaxing. In doing that relaxing I thought long and hard about my life. I've cleaned so much up but what felt like a little was left. So I set goals to go strict monk style and finish this once and for all ... well, I wasn't a well behaved monk ... and didn't stay strict. I set as my "reward" a healthy dive into the dating apps. So this still occaisionally (and think more occaissionally than I admitted to myself) addict didn't hold himself accountable to the consequence of not really being monk mode and took the reward.

    I dove into the dating apps. I started off healthy on them. But pretty immediately I was getting naked photos, offers to cyber, offers to hook up, etc. I welcomed the photos and videos but didn't cyber. Didn't matter because at that point the addiction was out of the cage fully.

    Chatted with a few women. Clean chat. Clicked with one. My kind of woman ... younger, athletic, creative, funny, intelligent ... we met for drinks and had a fantastic time .... she shared with me she had recently been saved and started going to church .... she invited me back to her place but I turned her down and explained that I wanted to hold off so we could have a real relationship and not get sexual so quickly. We both left. She texted and said "come spend the night and no sex; I respect where you are coming from" She didn't know where I was coming from was for all my moral high ground I was pretty certain after a couple of drinks and decades of porn that things weren't going to work. But given the promise, I went, even though I knew if I had the chance I'd try because it's been such a long time.

    Anyway. Great kissing. Great chemisty. Finally we were totally naked and tried and pfft.

    I'm an assertive take charge guy. I can't take charge when my tools don't work.

    We talked about it that night. I confessed to the porn and the issues and we slept intertwined. She was sweet when I left the next morning. She texted twice that morning and then ghosted.

    I then went nuts on the dating apps, jumped back into the porn, and did all kinds of stupid things. I couldn't put my phone down at work. I "worked" about 80 hours last week but was probably only productive about 20.

    I'm done with the raging binge. I feel rock bottom.

    My therapist was right. My perspective is totally different now.

    1. First, as an assertive guy who likes to take charge I need to get my tools in order OR deal with the reality that they may never been in order. I feel totally broken. I know the formula for attempting the fix. I have to follow that. And I have to deal with the reality that perhaps I'll never be totally fixed. Need to put myself in a position to try and then deal with the loss if that doesn't work. At 54, my last successful sex was 2 years ago.
    2. Second, I truly do not feel like I deserve a good woman. The woman I didn't have sex with hit many of my non-negotiables but I overlooked the fact that she had 2 kids, a turbulent relationship with her ex, some financial turmoil because of that, etc.... I've said before that I know that you attract who you are .... I'm still broken emotionally from a relationship standpoint and I'm finding broken women. I was that way when I met my wife and choose the wrong mate. That has never been fixed. This isn't a divorce or Alicia (old girlfriend) fall out issue but something foundational that I've never really dealt with. I have an executive level job and I feel less than worthy of being with women who are similar in their successes in life and am ok with taking on women I enjoy being with but deep down am embarrassed to introduce to anyone I know.
    3. Third, it isn't just porn addiction. I'm addicted to sex. And I'm so hungry for love I'll do just about anything for to feel even something that isn't real. That's how I got married to the woman I married. One of the women I was chatting with last week asked me why I got divorced. I answered "I got married". I picked wrong. I picked wrong because of my emotional weakness. And I will pick wrong if I don't fix it.
    I'm single, I've now got some disposable income. I'm active. I really do wish my junk worked and I could just play around. But given that soup of emotional mess I've got I can't. Junk doesn't work, I'll bring crazy into my life and further erode my confidence with women.

    So I've reset. Apps are gone. Phone is clean. I am peeling some things off my calendar this week because I know I have a week of withdrawal ahead of me.

    I've been here with the reset before. I don't know what to do different. I do have a therapy appointment in 2 weeks. I know what I need to do from a porn addiction / PIED perspective. Monk mode this time for sure. I'm scared for my future. But I do not know how to work on the other two problems.

    RD
     
  2. Good for you, RD. You've realised some truly important things. You've fallen so low that your only choice is up.

    I was also badly scared when I started my reboot. It seemed impossible — literally impossible. But, like you, I had no choice.

    I'm not scared any more. But I'm also not complacent.

    Keep strong. You can do it.
     
  3. ruggerdoug

    ruggerdoug Fapstronaut

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    Thank you for the encouragement.

    I know I can do it. The last time I made major advances I hit rock bottom. Actually each improvement in my life has been preceeded by a rock bottom moment.

    I know how to address the porn problem. My issue at the moment is how to address the other two problems?
     
  4. Can you be specific about what the two problems are, please? I think that I know what you mean from reading your first post, but I'm unsure, and I don't want to give you an irrelevant reply.
     
  5. ruggerdoug

    ruggerdoug Fapstronaut

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    I actually Cross posted from another journal I write in. So there were some things written for that more familiar crowd that might confuse the issue. I would love your feedback. The two things are:

    One. ED caused by feelings of inadequacy And not just a PIED problem.
    Two. Feelings of personal inadequacy that are actually leaving weak to making bad decisions about who I date or attempt to have sex with.
     
  6. Thanks for the clarification, @ruggerdoug .

    An important piece of background before I answer your question:

    An addiction always happens for a reason, i.e. some emotional problem.
    And then the addiction always exacerbates existing problems, and creates new ones!

    One: Erectile Dysfunction

    The primary cause of this isn't feelings of inadequacy, believe it or not, although I appreciate that it might well contribute.

    The primary cause is the physical set of changes to your brain that the PMO has caused. Porn is a super-stimulus that hijacks the normal functioning of sexual response — not just the physical response, but also the emotional and connection responses.

    Fortunately, these changes are reversible. I use the metaphor of a monster. Think of the addiction (the changes to your brain) as a monster. You need to starve the monster so that it dies. But the monster takes quite a while to die — looking at anecdotal evidence, this seems to be a minimum of three months.

    That's why the site recommends a 90-day hard reboot.

    When you go onto a hard reboot, but then reset before the time is up, the monster isn't dead yet. It might be on its death bed already, but that one PMO gives it enough food to burst out of bed, like a super-villain, and rear its ugly head again.

    When you starve the monster, your brain starts to undo the damage done — the brain is a wonderfully plastic organ that can heal itself if you just give it the chance!

    To solve your ED, you must do a hard reboot: no-PMO for 90 days at least. Stick with no-PMO your whole life, except while you have a partner, during which time stick to no-PM. Oh, and a prostitute (or strip club or whatever) is like super-charged PMO, so don't treat them as a partner.

    Once you are past your hard reboot, if you still have ED, it should be relatively simple to fix. After your hard reboot, let us know if it's still happening.

    Two: Feelings of personal inadequacy

    Of course, these feelings will contribute to your ED. But, one step at a time…

    These feelings are made much worse by your addiction. I've read this on the forum time and again, as well as seeing it documented and explained in videos.

    You don't know exactly how inadequate you feel without your addiction until after your hard reboot.

    So, the prescription is the same: Do a 90-day hard reboot, and then re-evaluate how you feel.

    Personal inadequacies, and non-porn-related ED (barring medical problems), can usually be fairly simply solved. As with your ED, after your reboot, let us know how you feel.
     
  7. ruggerdoug

    ruggerdoug Fapstronaut

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    Thanks. So one problem at a time essentially.

    I’m resolved to do this. I’ve actually been on this journey for quite a long time. The monster has been up and down in his deathbed for a long time.

    I had intentionally avoided the dating scene to focus on getting healthy but I never truly got to hard mode. So then when I started the dating apps - a Porn sub for me — I was all set for the bottom to fall out.

    So day 1 of hard mode. We shall see were things are on 89 days!
     
  8. That's the spirit, @ruggerdoug !
    Best of luck with your journey.

    Study the articles on the main site, if you haven't already, because that will help calm your nerves when your mind and body go through some strange feelings and reactions. You'll be expecting them instead of being shocked by them.

    I know that I got scared a couple of times earlier in my reboot, and had I not read the articles, I would have relapsed from the fear.

    There have also been times when it's been so easy to do (especially during flatlining), that I could have become complacent. But I didn't; I kept my guard up, so when the monster snuck up behind me and pounced, I was ready, and I didn't fall for it.
     
  9. I am a 27 year old woman and until May 2018 I had a sick addiction to a dating app. i started off that i wanted to use it to find a healthy relationship with a guy (everyone was talking about this app at a gathering when I was 22-23). One of the biggest mistakes of my life, for real. After the end of a relationship/heartbreak I would go back at downloading it trying to heal my pain pretending i didn't care (i used it also to spend my long free time, I didn't have friends and couldn't meet guys in real life. i also used it to boost my ego going on first dates and dumping the guy. i became an expert in dates and i wanted to be wanted

    saw being with a guy= happy), even though i didn't try to meet them in my life nowadays we are encouraged to use dating apps instead of doing as our parents did

    also chasing being with a guy especially after i was tired to be single and alone and wanted to be hugged and loved by a guy that I liked, dating app is the unhealthy way to go about love and bonding. i met 3 guys that i actually had s. with and seen for months in a monogamous way from my side but not from their side (having one guy i liked assuring that my libido and my thirst for love were "satisfied" making sure i didn't need to find another guy. not gonna lie, i was afraid in the past of me seeing multiple people in the meantime with the libido i had)

    the f.up thing is i kept seeing them, i struggled to leave those bad relationships that mutilated my self-esteem, destroyed me, made me feel unworthy when i felt the need to compete with i dunno how many girls. Thank God, I felt the need to go tested in a clinic and it was ok, very humiliating but ok for my health. i would say my relationships with guys were always unhealthy but the guys i met via dating app were even worse in my opinion and it took building myself from scratch

    Just yesterday I paid attention to some ads around my city and (buses etc.) and i noticed tons of different dating apps (one for over 50s, one saying it was for Catholic people etc. basically for any kind of person). really sad. i am so happy i reached a point i was so fed up and broken and maybe also the fact that at 26 i felt too old for a dating app and dating app. so happy dating apps are not appealing to me anymore

    tired of being one of the options for a guy. i want to date a guy who sees me as his only girl, priority otherwise i am better off by myself. dating apps are killing real relationships especially for someone with s. addiction like me. get rid of dating app for good, that's my advice

    you deserve a good woman. believe it because you do. work on your self love. i watched a video and the guy said if you love yourself 20% and someone comes along and loves you 30% you think it is enough and you settle for that and think that the maximum you deserve. It is not. love yourself 100% and get you will get a woman who will love you as you deserve. I am working in progress myself but loving myself makes me happy and i need to remind me of that

    you gotta have a long streak with at least no p. and then see how your tool does i re-started on at the end of august my 2nd and final reboot and now i got a pretty similar low libido as when i was 4 months into my 1st reboot. get to know yourself (your body reactions too especially after being away from p. for a while)
     
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  10. ruggerdoug

    ruggerdoug Fapstronaut

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    I've done this before. That's not the part that scares me. The part that scares me is if I stay the same or if I venture into an attempt at rebooting and it fails.

    Two years ago I cleaned myself up. I've let porn be my medication in treating stress and lonliness.

    Anyway ... dating apps are off the phone ... I have a 120 day play where I'm committing to hard mode and backing it up with a focus on some routines -- working out, diet, meditation, etc. -- to support my committment to myself.

    I strongly believe this whole thing isn't just a porn thing but a sexual health thing. I believe I have a number of things to deal with related to my sexual health. I reset with my therapist next week. I read over the weekend that Pfizer suggest a 3% raise per pound overweight in the liklihood of ED .... I'm well over my BMI but only 30 pounds over my Rugby playing weight (30 x 3% means if Pfizer is right .... ). I'm going to lose 40 pounds over this 120 days too.

    I've reread the front page on porn 101 and rebooting. I could stand at a podium and explain all that. I KNOW it. I am not feeling it.

    I really have no choices with women unless I put myself into a more sexually healthy place. Starts tomorrow (technically starts tonight).

    The dating apps were poison. I had a fantastic 3 year relationship that ended two years ago. That relationship still haunts me. I have jumped into some dating apps to find something similar and it has been a disaster.

    Anyway, thanks for the comments and encouragement.
     
  11. you have to actively and seriously be committed to improve yourself. if you don't take care of improving yourself while your reboot, you'll still relapse after a moment when you feel lost or very stressed. it happened the same to me about a year ago. i was very upset about myself after having had s. a year after not wanting to and i relapsed and had a dark period

    learn more yourself (body reactions and mind reactions) why you did what you did in the past? etc. study yourself. nobody can know you better than you even though sometimes articles on the internet helped greatly understanding what i was dealing with. awkward to admit but i got my confirmation i was a s. addict by filling in an online test of one of the recovery groups. it also helps me to write stuff down on a notepad i have with me. see what works for you. talk more with your therapist or if you don't feel great understanding change and get a new therapist. fight for yourself! but do it first of all for you not for other people

    Let's make 2019 amazing :emoji_bouquet::emoji_sparkles:
     
  12. Hi ruggerdoug! Of your story, i think is better you dont talk about no-fapping with a possible girlfriend. If you talk about it with a girl, is because is your best friend or your sister or something dont fuckable. The women dont know the pmo frequency in men, and many of them think that the majority of us dont see porn, or maybe the 50% of men dont masturbate.

    Yes, It's absolutely false, I know it :rolleyes:
     

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