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The Pain

Discussion in 'New to NoFap' started by InNeed, Dec 14, 2015.

  1. InNeed

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    I am now very aware of the pain I have inflicted on my wife of 24 years. I can not heal the pain and I am thinking that it is too little too late for us MY BAD! Not knowing how to move forward I am here sad lonely upset and very very (how and the phuc could i do this to her) feeling. Not good times at all. In my thoughts it is like this, the barn door was left open, the horse is gone and I am walking everywhere. Walking is good right?
    Did I need the horse? Was I able to care for it? Was the barn strong enuff to house and support the horse?
    I have lost something that is not find-able so now the search goes on.
     
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  2. Jmak290

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    "BTDT"

    Been there done that!

    What was I thinking???????

    Yes, I can relate to your story. And it's so natural and right to beat yourself up. To feel hopeless and such a loss.

    But what we need to do and continue is the journey, is to NOT beat yourself up, not to say within yourself all the negativity. We need to take care of what remains. Let's take the path that will lead to recovery.

    Accepting our limitations as they are. Accepting our character flaws as they are. As we take THAT first step, then and only then can we move forward from there.

    As we begin to recover some of those limitations will be broken. Some of those flaws can be changed into strengths.

    There is hope my friend. There IS HOPE! Welcome to the forum. Stay active in the 40+ journals.

    Post often. And If you NEED to talk, lets strike up a conversation and go from there.

    Now is the time, my friend. Now!

    Thx for listening.
     
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  3. InNeed

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    Been there done that! have you? with all do respect you have not been in my shoes, my mind,my life ,my kitchen. Ok so what is that i am so to be willing to accept?

    But what we need to do and continue is the journey, is to NOT beat yourself up I never stopped the journey and too late already pretty beaten up

    We need to take care of what remains. Really so does this mean that i can get blood from a stone? I mean what really does remain? Is it worth having? Can it be replaced? Should it be replaced? Did I ever need it?

    Accepting our limitations as they are. Accepting our character flaws as they are. BIG time issues here man. So i am limited to being addicted? My character flaws got me here in the first place!

    Please i mean no disrespect to you or anybody else! I am just telling you what i feel so as to "get the bigger picture"

    Can there be to much pain to reboot?
    Also thank you the reply
     
  4. Jmak290

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    A response I was not expecting. But I would like to say again that I've been there... With similar responses to the out reached hands before me.

    MY WIFE of 27 yrs has been thru hell and it's been all on me. My stupidity put us thru that hell. I still can sir, relate to your story.

    When you share I can almost see me in all that. No sir, not your actual shoes and that shirt and driving your vehicle.

    I've been there when I really thought No one on earth can relate to MY sexual compulsive behavior.

    Thinking others can't help me with words of encouragement. No one can relate nor can they know what I'm feeling or going thru.

    When I started recovery program feb this year I flat out told my sponsor he was lieing to me. Really. Who did he think he was?

    I am a mistake and that he was not helping at all. I slapped the hands when he reached out to support me with encouraging words.

    This forum is full of people that can relate. We all have very similar struggles, with similar results.

    At first I thought I was the only one that struggled with this addiction. But it was a rude awakening when I realized there are others and that there is indeed hope for recovery. Even after such devastating losses.

    Thanks for your honesty. Your words were real and raw, yet the reality of them is also real.

    Change starts in recovery when I'm able to accept this character flaw, this addiction. I mean can't stay in this denial. I must get to the point that I have a problem. Then and only then can my change begin.

    Running on a flat tire will continue until I accept the reality that I HAVE a flat tire.

    Thanks for sharing your feelings, that is what this forum is all about. Your not alone. We are here online to help with encouraging others to find their unique recovery pathways.

    Though I have made giant steps when I reached out face to face and talked to someone. I went and had coffee with someone and told them about my FPMO.

    Please keep sharing your thoughts here. No matter how real or raw they may be. I have looked back to my early posts and I see how much I'm changing.

    This works!
     
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    Yes... There must be "too much pain"...

    This is what draws me to the dentist. When I get to the point of "too much pain", I'm determined to call someone for help.

    I get so frustrated and angry enough. I get so sick of it all that I get up off my lazy buttocks and call the dentist and make an appointment. Currently 8 teeth pulled waiting for imprint for dentures.

    Then as "too much pain" continues I reach out again. And drive myself to the dentist office and sit in that chair and allow them to do what needs to be done.

    When I accept my limitations then And only then can I begin to change those limitations. Accepting the character flaws is not an end in itself but the beginning of recovery pathways.

    "Courage to change the things I can..." As long as I have breathe there is hope.

    We can help each other. That is what this forum is all about. Helping ourselves while encouraging each other on the hope filled road of recovery.

    Thnx for letting me share.
     
  6. InNeed

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    I can not get rid of the pain, it drives me to this site,

    One man"s pain can be another mans pleasure so they say.

    Limitations? Really? I think that is also Bullchit! See i think you have been put on the "limitations bandwagon" because you feel( respectfully) that is what you need, for me there are no limitations but for the fact we must breath and eat and sleep short of those items we have NO limitations at all. If somebody tells you are limited to do this or that it is those people that want to place the limitations on you , they're not your limits but theirs.

    Dam i feel bad for you, if you feel you have limits and try nothing to move past those limits! did you just lay down and accept it? if so why?

    Just what are "limitations" when it comes to pain, after all some people feel no pain at the dentist and require no pain medication. I have found that no matter how bad it hurts it can always hurt more so there fore there are no limitations when it comes to pain in my life.
    What I think i am in the need of is information, education, a positive outlook and above all time.
    As I type I am reminded of the old saying that "time heals all wounds" not sure if that is true being as time will help hide,forget,cover up the pain.

    Remember the first time we hit our thumbs with a hammer? I do not, but every time I do hit my thumb i am reminded of pain, the pain that is real and now and not the pain i felt years ago.

    I have stopped looking at porn for a week month 3 months 6 months 1 year.
    Hell maybe i just like looking? maybe it is a habit like going to the dentist?
    you see this whole thing is kinda counter productive if you ask me, please here me out.
    Ok so I say no porn for a week(first reminder of porn and not good)
    I go a week with no porn and then what talk about it? ok got it but we also got a second reminder of porn and still not good) i get the kudos needed to go the second week with out porn
    ( again i am always thinking about porn in one way or another) so i will always have that monkey on my back he is the one that reminds me of the whole porn thing.
    what i think i need to do is go out and have lunch with the monkey and get his side of the story. the more I know him the more i will understand why he is my monkey on my back controlling me.
    Most of us have the fear of the unknown, for me it is the fear of the "known"
    I know porn is no good
    i know porn is the wrong way to go
    i know my addiction has hurt others
    I know that it affects every part of my life everyday
    And these are my real fears. I can and will face them wholeheartedly

    Im need to change my life style, ok got that one too ,BUT again there is the constant reminder of porn like this
    ok i got a new hair cut to promoted change and why did I do that? because of porn.
    even just being here i am dealing with( reminds me of... guess what PORN) the whole porn issue, thinking of it now, wondering wondering wondering.

    Again if i can post "raw" items here cool but again how raw is raw? like how small is small?
    am I doing the best thing i can? can i do more or something differently?

    This brings me to a second point and that is "this is all a very very shape double edge sword" it cuts with both sides just a deep. I mean i am wondering "if i do not want cut then put down the sword" wow problem solved , right?
    It is good to change but what is a rational and reasonable "excuse" for change?
    After all many say change is inevitable just look at our lives now compared to cave man days, some say we are better off while others say we are all going down the tube as a society.
    Evolution takes place over a very long time, I have had porn in my life since like i was 7-8 years old. I would go the barber shop with my dad, pick up a copy of time and then place a playboy in the middle and do some "reading"
    The real challenge is that i do not have a life time to fix it. It will not come over night or tomorrow or next week or month i know this, but i also know that death is just a breath away!
    I am not suicidal at all! In fact I can not wait to meet death with a smile and thank it for life, embrace it for all it is worth! After all death cures all illnesses and all pain.
    I too have been influenced but my out look on life and that is "if i need something done i do it" i wanted a cabin cruiser boat so i built it, i wanted to look at porn so I do, I wanted to be my own boos so I run and operate a business.
    I am so DIY that is why i look at porn as to not put pressure on my wife to make me happy, hell nobody knows how to make me happy but for me, i know all the ins and outs of my pleasure seeking lifestyle.

    I also am very aware of the hardcore fact that I am directly responsible for all of this(back to the whole DIY thing) and it is I who will and must make sense of it all find a place for it in my life.

    The real issues is this I am not normal as per the standards of today's society!
    My wife always ask me "why can't you just be normal" and I reply "why should I"
    I do not do organized sports at all
    I love to cook
    I deal with anger by cleaning
    I am self employed
    I took in the telecommunications giant Verizon and won or more like they just gave up there quest.
    Me being "not normal" is the norm for me so back to my statement above in red

    Please understand that I am trying to face the facts with no sugar to wash it down with. I am not attacking you personally nor do i want too at all, just the opposite I am going to challenge everything here( with all do respect ) for both my own good and yours and perhaps this will motivate others who my be feeling the same way.
    I am not ripping on you, beleive me when i say that, i am how ever pushing the envelope to see if you do in fact have what it takes, are you sincere, are there doubts? and the same goes for me!
    I understand this is a good place and it does good things but is it the place for me?

    May i ask you "what is one day at a time"? Why can't it be one hour at a time or one week at a time or month or year or life time?

    I will always be addicted to porn i know and it will be nothing more than going a day a week a month a year 3 years 5 years 10 years. There are 2 kinds of people in the world(so to speak) either you are addicted to porn or you are not.

    Do you wake up saying I am an addict and I will work on change? After all are we really dealing with the problem or the cause?
    I too am addicted( facing the hardcore truth) I maybe able to control it yes but is that really the answer?

    bottom line for me is this
    I am not writing this for you to read it, is a letter to David from David for David

    To give you thanks for your understanding and thoughts and your very personal life is something i respect! I am not a dick so please try to keep that in mind when reading the above statement for the 1st 2nd 3rd time.
     
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    Change starts in recovery when I'm able to accept this character flaw( IT IS NOT A FLAW BUT A STRENGTH THAT WAS PUT TO BAD USE), this addiction. I mean can't stay in this denial. I must get to the point that I have a problem. Then and only then can my change begin.

    Running on a flat tire will continue until I accept the reality that I HAVE a flat tire.
    This is a can of worms that I do not want to open but i will. Flat tires do roll and they will get you there as well. Perhaps i am missing the point so if that is the case I will make sure you do not miss mine again with all do respect. if all 4 tires were flat then it would be the "norm" so to speak, right? Why did the tire go flat? Are the others going to go flat too, hell man even a stopped clock is right twice a day. so if I had 86,400(# of seconds in a day) clocks all set 1 second apart form one another, and all on one wall i will always have the right time?
    I mean that flat tires still server the same purpose as the others, going round and round just the same as the others with air do.
    So am i to be thankful that the other tires are not flat or am I to be thankful that the flat tire still rolls and still can get me to my destination?

    The saying goes something like this. We are to be thankful for everything that we have in life right? do I need to be thankful for my porn addiction? Is there a silver lining to the porn cloud? Is one addiction better than another?
    They say I need to change my life style right? But will that help because the need for change and in fact changing in itself is again a reminder of porn?

    I am addicted to porn( my recurring theme). I will live the rest of my life with this addiction. I know there are ways to curb it, deal with it and work with it but the bottom line is still I am an addict! So there I have admitted that there is a problem. but is it the real problem with real solutions or just another way to get through life doing the best we can and accept that and move forward?

    I do not get the whole"it has been 2 days and 13 hours and 22 minutes since i did not look at porn thing.to me this is nothing but positive reinforcement of that fact that you do have a problem( salt in the old wound thing) and it is just about how long you can go without looking at it. If i had my way that would be the first thing to change here. and I will not have that counter thing on my page/post.
    Does it really matter how long it has been? if so why?
    More importantly it is that fact that"what will you do when to time comes for you to look at porn" how will i deal with it? what will I really do and is it time? Is it what I really think and feel or it is I am supposed to do this because it is the right thing to do regardless of how I feel?

     
  8. Jmak290

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    I really appreciate your comments. Utilizing such journaling in positive ways. Posting your thoughts and feelings. Getting them out, nothing held back.

    That is what this site is all about.

    I can relate to the opening part about someone's pain another's pleasure. That was me. My pain so real, I sexualized the pain. Slap me, beat me.

    I'm a no good piece of crap. I was hurting so bad I escaped the pain by sexualizing it. Punishing myself thru self hatred. Golden showers I deserved etc... Blister my own butt, please the pain is too much. I got to the point where it became pleasure to be treated like trash. Put me in a cage like I've seen in the porn books.

    That's where I was. I was limited for sure. My own applied limitations. Only when I was able to see how I was limiting myself could I ever begin to break thru and see the inner strength and deal with such limitations.

    Man cannot jump from a building like Clark Kent and fly to save a life... But that limitation only strengthened our resolve to overcome that limitation and now we fly faster than the speed of light.

    Only when I take the time and notice my limited understanding can I ever begin to change the things I can.

    Yes sir, you've made some real good points. The neuropathways of porn have been established and they will be there forever. I can no longer ignore the fact that I am addicted to the dopamine rush I get from FPMO. (Fantasy, porn, masterbation to orgasm) etc...

    YBOP is a good video to watch explaining some of the science behind the brain and porn.

    Your recent posts cover the gambit of the addiction. I can't respond to it all. But I do see how your acquiring the benefits of this site. Your talking, sharing, getting things out in the open.

    Your real with it man. Your not one to take everything you hear as gospel truth. That is a strength I'm hearing from your posts. I appreciate that about you.

    Yes, I'll read your post again and comment on items as we go. Openess and honesty is a start in an organized recovery program.

    I can't lie to myself I must see my limitations and flaws or whatever the clinical terms are. But I need to see them and acknowledge them before I can deal with them and gain the strength to break through those limitations. And yes, many times limitations turn into strengths.

    Cognitive dissonance is a pill not easily taken. How does one deal with such internal disagreements? I'm gaining insight into all this. I'm turning the hurdles and struggles into a prop for positive change in my life.

    Can I say thanks for the porn fight that I face? That is one thing that's loaded with self hatred, and inner turmoil, the battles real... Can I say thanks?

    I must come to the conclusion... My response to the struggle, my tenacity to get back up and continue the fight, I saw from my counter that I was able to abstain from FPMO for 126 days.

    That proves to me, and me only, that it can be done. One day I'll be able to stop the counter game and walk in victory.

    For me I see no matter how far wrong I've gone, no matter how long down the road of porn mindset I've gone, it's never to late to turn around and realize that I have the ability to change the things that I can change.

    ( the serenity prayer)

    Recovery pathways are different for each of us. But we've all been there. We all have a time of questioning, evaluating, analyzing all this information.

    The steps in the 12 step recovery programs of all the various focus points of recovery are no piece of cake. AA, NA, HA, SCA, SLAA, etc...

    They are real and the experiences shared are real. You are right in your approach. Ask questions, make a point. Do homework, challenge the new information.

    I told my sponsor several times to his face, that he is lying to me!!! I really thought I was a mistake and I deserved drastic punishment as I recieved in 3rd grade.

    Physical abuse and sexual abuse was and is not normal growing up, and that it was NOT MY FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That my friend was a tall hurdle to jump over for me.

    I really thought I deserved it all and that I must have been wrong at birth, broken in the womb. It wasn't my fault?????? That sounded like wool over my eyes. I couldn't believe it wasn't my fault.

    Anyway please keep posting, keep getting things off your chest. This is the forum to that.

    I am not taking it personal. Though I might understand what your going thru. Maybe not to the T. But close enough.

    Your in good hands with all state!
     
  9. Jmak290

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    My 12 step recovery sponsor was telling me how I over analysed almost everything I was being told.

    When some car honks at me driving down the road pointing to my open gas cap, I can over analyze the situation. I'm not that stupid to leave my gas cap open. The wind opened it, a defect in the manufacturing of the car. But the fact still remained I left the gas cap off.

    If my tire is going flat or to someone it looks pretty low on air, I could over analyze it and ignore the fact as normal. I'm going to do some street racing and a slightly deflated tire could help with traction at higher speeds. Whatever the example I can give.

    But My sponsor told me to slow down don't go thru the 12 steps in 12 days... He suggested I go on an information fasting. I started watching all YouTube videos on porn addiction, YBOP videos, YouTube university, cognitive change, cognitive behavioral therapy methods, middle child syndrome, etc...

    He told me to slow down and concentrate on step one and then move on from there. Information overload for sure.

    It's taken 12 months to go thru 12 steps. He slowed me down enough for me to soak in the information so I can take it in better as I have time to apply each step.

    My life was running on the rims for sure till I realized how limiting that was. When I was able to change my perspective, stand outside and view my life from a different perspective, that's when I realized I was limiting my smoother ride in life with riding on the rims.

    Accepting these limitations is not a confession of defects per day, but accepting that I have bad teeth can only lead to change for the good.

    What can I change? What can I do? What things can't be changed?

    I was more able to breakthrough those limitations and find a better way to move along this recovery road.
     
  10. InNeed

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    My words do have a way of coming back to me and sometimes I'll read them again and again and new insights and a renewed hope to overcome these limitations and apparent addictions that seem insurmountable.

    They say this is one good reason journalize my struggles. Write it out. Get it out.

    Isolation and secrecy are enemies to my recovery. An open mind, honesty with myself and recovery is some of those tools in MY recovery toolbox.

    I have gone back and from time to time and read the first journal entry I made and I see changes, I see the hope, I see the possibilities that I never seen before.

    It's been a rough 35-45 yrs. last 25 were hell on earth. The last 4 yrs with verbal abusive church leadership, being thrown out of church for venting my frustrations???

    This last year in organized recovery program, I've seen some good. I completed the 12 step annual curriculum. Yet I feel I've only yet begun the recovery journey.

    I recieve hope and encouragement from real people on this site that's bold enough to tell us like it is. Where the rubber meets the road.

    You sir @InNeed is what we here are all about. We all need a dose of reality, a shot in the arm to wake us up, and stop playing games.

    In your sharing, believe it or not, it's helping me. And it is helping you at making sense out of all the chaos within this thing called life.

    Keep up the good work. Your words are NOT coated with candy cane sprinkles, or a spoon full of sugar.

    We all have a place here if we simply choose to accept it. It is taking this long to see that for myself.
     
  12. InNeed

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    For you my newly found cyber Battle buddy desire more than my respect and that will be my time which at this point in life is as valuable as life itself.

    First off it is not my intention to bring up the past that your working so hard to change.

    The whole "counter thing" again I do understand the importance of it regarding my issues BUT that does not mean there is no place for it at all.

    My counter goes something like this, it is 54 66 13 123 days until I get my life back , until I get to make real love to my wife and her feel it instead of pain.

    I am now cured of my need to explore this to the end of time. It is time to let go honestly and faithfully, why do I need to hang onto the negetive? I do not have that need. In fact all that negativity that is released will be replaced with good positive vibes.
    See by looking at porn I have come to the conclusion that the energy spent doing"bad things" have been used to create bad things when it is returned, the whole karma thing.
    With that said I am now going to invite good karma back into my life.
    I am not addicted to porn I am addicted to life and all the great and wonderful things it has to offer me being porn free! ! ! ! ! !
    Yes we all can and will change in fact just me being here for less than 24 hours has promoted and brought about said change.
    All I did was to place my honest request out to the universe and for once it liked what I am doing and returned my request with love compassion and understanding all of which I am very thankful for.
    Now this type of outlook/train of thought/in site may be new to you but I feel that by searching out" the laws of attraction" you too will have very powerful tool to use

    To be continental :)
     
  13. Jmak290

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    Welcome to the forum. Glad your here.
     
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    Thank you for the warm welcome :) How is it that I may be of service to you and the others?
     
  15. Jmak290

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    We can help ourselves and others as we share our experiences, strength and hope. That is what I'm doing here.

    My nephew battling addiction to prescription drugs made the statement that he does not believe he is worth the effort to recieve healing or recovery in any way, he shared that he feels lower than dirt etc...

    I'm sorry, I don't relate to the prescription drug addiction but the end result of worthlessness I CAN RELATE. There is hope for everyone that still has Breathe.

    Hearing about others struggles and the way they are dealing with them gives others hope and possible healing.

    You are an asset to this forum only because of your not afraid to tell it like it is. Your willing to share your life experiences with us.

    Your right, it's best to question things, go home and check it out, we can't just be like a stupid sponge under the sea pineapple kind of guy. I wouldn't change a thing. Be yourself as you have done already.

    That is all I'm doing here as well, this is me, this is my recovery, this is my struggles, my experiences, my hope.

    I don't strive to gain your trust or gain your respect, or anyone for that matter. I share and take what you want and discard the nonsense.

    Gaining trust and respect may or may not be possible, but I'm here to share my story. That's all I have to say about that.

    If someone thinks they are sub human, and they read my story and are able to make the cognitive changes necessary for a better life then we do work together at helping each other.

    The I in recovery really turns out to be WE, I can't do it on my own I need a little help from my friends. It's just the way humanity goes.

    Beatles song group told me that. And the lie that big boys don't cry, is exactly that a big fat lie. This big boy does cry.

    It feels good to release the pent up, bottled up emotional dysfunctions.

    We shall overcome. Please continue as you are. Share as openly as you have been and you will begin to realize how helpful you are in the forum.

    Just be yourself! We need more of your kind sharing openly and honestly.

    Thanks for being hear.
     
  16. InNeed

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    I have arrived here as part of my life's journey. There is a reason I stopped by to check things out. Is this my final stop?
    It is if I find what I am looking for it then I look around admire the secenery and it has to offer, rejoice in their beauty remember it well and move on.
    Again for me being here is a reminder of who I was and not who I am. This is my new porn?every time I login I think I go backwards and not forwards.
    Did bite off more than I can chew or is it that I do not know the limits of my mouth?
    Again for me closer will come when I no longer have anything porn related open ( kinda a play on words) and right now this opens the porn window, not much but, as we all know it does not take much for us to look out that open window.
    I do need to move on both here and in life.
    That is not fair to you or the others here.
    It is like this for me, you invited me because I was hungry and offered me a meal, although I was hungry, you just do not have what I want. You kindness and honesty will not go unrewarded after all these universe is all knowing and very generous all we need to do is ask believe and we shall get.
    I have used this site as my whipping post and it has made me realize that I do not need porn nor it there a need to whip anything in fact 1 hug will do more than 10,000 beatings will ever do!
     
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