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Starting off with easy mode as a viable strategy?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Shalos, Apr 23, 2022.

  1. Shalos

    Shalos Fapstronaut

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    For me personally, I have tried to reboot on hard mode so many times, but after the first week passes, the sexual desires get so intense that I just keep relapsing. If I dont, the anxiety and literal insomnia due to thinking about sex all night just keep making me relapsing over and over again. At one point I just stopped trying.

    I know the whole process of rebooting to hard mode already > start motivated > first few days are hard > you get through them > for the few next days you get a brief moment of relief and improvements in mood and confidence that are illusionary and last for a very short while > then the horniness and thoughts about P intensify, > you try to stay strong but you eventually relapse not to P but to thought about P bc you do not want to break your streak, > then the chaser effect drags you into an actual relapse.
    Every. Damn. Time.

    On easy mode, I feel like you can have a greater chance of success, because whenever the sexual tension gets too much that you start to enter the danger zone, you can just end it there and up until it happens again (I usually need a week of buildup to get really horny, but it varies from person to person). If you keep MO-ing and keep the libido low, you dont ever get to the danger zone of actually needing porn.

    I know most people think easy mode is pointless, but it surely can be a start to the rebooting, after you've been P-free for months and dont require it anymore, then you can get rid of the MO-ing too and do hard mode.

    That way, not only you are increasing your chances of success (if you do not imagine P while MO-ing, as then you'll be begging for a chaser effect), but also avoiding the unpleasant side effects such as sleepless nights, anxiety and so fourth. The flatline will be quick and minor too.

    In summary, quit PMOing, but one step at a time, to avoid the massive withdrawal that might push you into relapse. Sort or like alcohol detoxing. Quitting cold-turkey gives you the worst withdrawal.

    I deeply respect all of you who actually managed to quit in hard mode and stood strong through all the horrible days and nights. But not everyone has that willpower, and some of us need alternative ways to detox. I wouldn't demotivate them and insist that hard mode is the only good way to quit, because even if it is, it is not the best way to start for everybody. Every progress is a step forward.

    Thoughts and comments?
     
  2. desmond3

    desmond3 Fapstronaut

    It is not willpower which enables one to go NoFap forever, but the self-consciousness of his daily thoughts and actions. That high level of self-consciousness is not built in one day, so it is totally fine if you relapse in hard mode. As long as you keep trying, learning from your mistakes, and don't forget about NoFap every single day, eventually you will find yourself being able to break free one day.

    I agree you can break your goal into tiny steps, but I would still suggest sticking to hard mode. There's no need to give yourself much pressure because of relapses, just try to break your own streak record on every attempt. You can even record your progress, e.g. recording the number of times you fapped in each month. In this way, you can still see yourself making progress even though you relapse a lot, e.g. finding yourself fapping less per month.
     
  3. Shalos

    Shalos Fapstronaut

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    That was my initial thought and the reason why I never found the logic behind not MO-img ever and torturing yourself with blue balls, insomnia and so fourth. There isnt a single study that has found negative effects of M, quite on the contrary, but P is massively agreed upon and proven to be extremely damaging to the brain.

    If you went years without P, I don't see how MO-ing once in two weeks is gonna count as a relapse and reset your streak. But each to their own I guess. If some people genuinely believe like a religion that semen is the most precious thing and should never be released, so be it. Kinda creepy and weird if you ask me. Plus someone needs to tell the semen retention forum that maximum semen loads are already reached by the 10th day or so, after that you're not producing further, the sperm that you already produced starts dying. How can that have any health or even spiritual benefits goes above my head.
     
  4. OhWhenThe

    OhWhenThe Fapstronaut

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    Instead of coming on here and being dismissive towards those with a different view or approach to you, how about you just go your way and report back how it went? For many on here P and M are so intertwined that doing one leads to the other anyway so it's more helpful for them to just not do either. Maybe there are studies that show M isn't harmful but those studies weren't done on long-term porn addicts who have a lifetime of M'ing way beyond what would be considered a "normal" rate, you can't equate the two. If you think just quitting P is the best route for you then you do that, what works for one person doesn't always work for another.
     
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  5. I have reservations about taking the gamification metaphor too seriously in general, but even putting that aside what 'mode' you are in says nothing about any kind of strategy.

    It seems to me the more difficult the 'mode' the more strategy you need, what this basically amounts to is if there is no strategy it can be more realistic to try to maintain abstinence to less things, P only instead of PMO.

    Willpower is not any kind of strategy. Even having a bag of tools is not strategy. That would be like saying you're playing a game and you have some kind of gun to shoot things and that constitutes a strategy. Yes what to take out first might be a part of an overall strategy but for any serious gamer it should be obvious that's rather simplistic. Quitting porn first is a goal, strategy involves a somewhat detailed plan to achieve that goal, the goal itself is not a strategy.
     
  6. pichus321

    pichus321 Fapstronaut

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    If that works for you then go ahead, nofap is a very subjective thing, with only 1 rule(not watching porn). I alredy tried what you are gonna do and it didnt work for me because i would normally ending watching porn again because the fantasy in my head didnt satisfied enough, thats my experience, but maybe you go better than me.
     
  7. Sorry here's something that should be more helpful and practical: Focus on the timing of things to figure out strategy, either short term of long term. A typical one is time of the day when a person is vulnerable, like at night or first thing in the morning. If it's a repetitive pattern then that's something you can work with, so anything like not having your phone in the room, a bit of exercise to tire yourself out or say a custom alarm with a reminder NoFap message of some kind - but I actually recommend getting your sleep hygiene dialed in so you never need an alarm to wake up - but it could go off with the reminder shortly after you wake up. Even longer term patterns can be tracked and you can slowly identify the factors that would tend to make you relapse then think about how to address those, if you don't know at least you'll have identified them, maybe come on the forum and ask for ideas and so forth.
     
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