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Rebooting in Sexless Marriage

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by Tryingto, Nov 20, 2017.

  1. Tryingto

    Tryingto Fapstronaut

    I have been a sex addict since the age of twelve. I started recovery in my mid-forties and continue to this day.

    One thing that complicates my recovery process is the fact my wife is not interested in sex. With the benefit of hindsight, I can see this tendency has almost always been there. She does not like to be touched. Even holding hands results in tightening up. Moments of intimacy are often followed by quick retraction and so on...

    Over the last number of years, these tendencies have intensified. She once even said, 'I can't do intimacy. If you want sex, go outside the marriage.' Fortunately, I never have. Something in me has always sensed that this would be a disaster for a recovering addict.

    But this leaves me in a curious position. I am well aware that leaving behind pmo - which I want to and have to and am doing - puts me in a position of no sexual stimulation / release whatsoever. Nothing.

    I have never raised this in any of my recovery groups - not even with my sponsors in a direct and open way - because I am so ashamed and embarrassed. I am raising it here because I am feeling a little stronger these days. And I feel this matter needs to be discussed for this journey to go further.

    To be clear, I am not looking for myself or my wife or our marriage to be analyzed. I do more than enough of this myself, thanks very much. What I am hoping to find, however, are other people who might be working with similar situations. How is it going for you? What kind of challenges do you find 'sexlessness' presenting? How do you meet these? What kind of opportunities exist in this same dynamic?

    Are there any others out there?
     
  2. Saskia Simone

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    Yes, there are, but I won’t tag them here in case they don’t want to be known. Read in the 40+ section, i hope you can find them relatively soon. Good luck, I wish you the very best!
     
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  3. Tryingto

    Tryingto Fapstronaut

    These three words had quite an impact upon reading them, Hazel. Thanks.

    As mentioned, this is not a matter I have ever discussed with any freedom and / or openness. Your affirming reply means a great deal.
     
  4. I am was in an almost sexless relationship and it only made my PMO addiction worse. It was unbearable and it created a very unpleasant relationship. The biggest challenge was working up the courage to talk to my SO about it. In the end, the solution was to talk to my partner and "agreeing" to do things to satisfy me besides sex (it was less of an agreement and more of a decision she took after the conversation). I'm not cured yet but i manage to abstain from P&M the days that my sexual needs are met (still trying to completely stop doing it). Unfortunately the way you describe your marriage I don't think that's possible. And frankly I don't see a solution for you that doesn't lead to either a life of abstinence and frustration or a PMO addiction. I say that cause I surmised that you have an active sex drive so I can't imagine a life of abstinence would agree with you.
    Are you sure you wish to remain in this marriage ? Maybe going for sex outside the marriage would be bad, but leaving your marriage and finding an SO with whom you can have a healthy sexual relationship would probably be a good solution.
     
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  5. Tryingto

    Tryingto Fapstronaut

    Thanks for the reply, ToEdge. Your comments raise a number of important points:

    1. As recovery progresses, I really begin questioning how active my sex drive truly is. So much of what I have historically labelled 'active' is actually turning out to be 'addiction'. I keep peeling back layers and peeling back layers and learning that my sexual 'needs' are nowhere near as voluminous as I believed. No idea where this piece is headed...

    2. Perhaps in part because of this, my marriage relationship is actually pretty good. Sometimes I think, 'If it were only badminton we were not in alignment on...' But of course it's not badminton we are not in alignment on - it's sex. I know this is supposed to be a big deal, but I'm not sure how I feel about it. Sometimes it feels like a big deal, a lot of times it doesn't. One thing for certain, I've never really talked about or explored this, which seems a bit in want of attention; hence the thread.
     
  6. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    It may be that your wife is asexual and happy that way. It sounds more like she has unaddressed intimacy issues that could be helped with therapy. Is that something that she has ever considered? I cannot think it's healthy that she's more comfortable with the idea of your being unfaithful than she is with being intimate with you.

    Mismatch of libido is common. In some ways your situation is an extreme version of that. In my 30 years with my wife, the frequency of our love-making has been determined largely by fluctuations in my wife's libido and has gone from daily, to weekly, to monthly, to never (for 2-3 years of menopause) to monthly and now back to weekly. I feel that regular intimacy helps strengthen our bond and all other aspects of our relationship.

    Only you can know how you feel about a life where you have quit PMO but still have no sex with your wife. Society does place undue emphasis on sex and there are plenty of relationships in which sex, or lack of it, doesn't matter too much, but it is clearly a very personal thing.

    If I were in your position, I would quit PMO for good and then try to reach an accommodation with your wife where you get some sort of sex back into the marriage.

    Good luck

    ANH
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2017
  7. I don't think abstinence must necessarily mean: frustration, desolation, horrible/nightmare life, etc. It only seems that way in a sex obsessed culture (or to a sex/porn addict like myself). Abstinence might actually mean total freedom to a sex/porn addict. We shouldn't be so quick to put people's lives (or minds) that kind of box.
     
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  8. I have almost the exact same situation. Just came here to say that I have removed a significant amount of addicting consumption from my life to include: PMO, social media, political news, image surfing, chatting, etc. I plan to not make any sweeping assumptions or decision about my sex life until after I have reached 90 days sobriety. I can't really trust my addict brain to judge how much of the addicting chemicals in sex it "needs" or "wants". I don't know what the future will hold but I'm trusting that God had me marry my wife for a reason and I don't think I can fully know what that is until I get sober from PMO. Praying for you.
     
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  9. Oscar17

    Oscar17 Fapstronaut

    Have you looked into brahmacharia, semen preservation ?
    Or the chapter on sexual transmutation from the famous Think and grow rich book of Napoleon Hill ?

    I think there’s a lot to gain by focusing the sexual energy into different areas of life rather than expelling it by sex.

    Do some searches on google if this sounds interesting to you.
     
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  10. Tryingto

    Tryingto Fapstronaut

    Thank you @darknight for your two posts above - both are extremely helpful.

    While abstinence scares me, the further I go in recovery the more I see / feel that much - if not all - of this fear is the addiction. After pretty much forty years of struggle with 'needing' extreme amounts of sex, less actually feels like a kind of liberation, honestly. A relief.
     
  11. Yea, maybe I phrased that in a wrong way.
    I meant that since he seemed like he had an active libido, a life of abstinence would lead to frustration.
    OP actually addressed that and mentioned that he finds that his sex drive isn't as big as he thought.
    Still, i do believe that a sexually active person (with high or low sex drive) will end up being frustrated in an asexual relationship.
     
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  12. The Wrestler

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    I will freely admit not having been in a sexless marriage...or any marriage...or any relationship with sex...but I do have an inquisitive mind! And what you describe about your wife, @Tryingto, makes me wonder why she feels that way.
     
  13. Tryingto

    Tryingto Fapstronaut

    While I do honesty believe my SO has some issues bubbling away within this sexless situation, I am not really interested in exploring these here. For one, it seems speculative, inappropriate, and disrespectful. For another, the elephant in the room through such discussions is - well - me!

    As a recovering sex addict, I freely admit that I have very little sense of healthy sexuality and / or my own sexual 'needs'. I put this last in brackets because I again freely admit that what I have seen / thought of as my sexual 'needs' since I was twelve years is very badly distorted by this addiction.

    Would abstinence be a struggle? Would this lead only to frustration and resentment? Is sex necessary in a healthy marriage? I could tell you what I think the answer to each of these is (um, yes!), but I really have no idea because I've kept myself so busy with porn / psubs, masturbation, and whatever else since puberty. To some extent, a life of non-abstinence, of thinking acting out is not frustrating, and of believe sex necessary is all I have known.

    In the twenty-four hours since I posted this thread, it's become very, very clear to me that I need to be pmo-free before tackling anything else that might be lurking in this sexless issue. Addiction distorts one's perception - otherwise why would / how could I have done the things I've done? Accurate perception thus seems a first step.

    I'm curious how others in situations similar to my own have navigated this initial piece - and anything / everything after.
     
  14. True-Self

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    I agree. As you've said I think that you'll find that MOing has distorted what your true libido actually is.

    Most often for people in relationship once they stop PMOing/MOing they usually experience an increased desire and appreciation for their partners. Something to consider is that you will need some kind of outlet for the increased feelings that you will most likely experience towards your wife. If I were you I would spend some time thinking about the ways you can express your love for your wife that she is comfortable with. I would also attempt to be more aware and embracing of the ways that your wife expresses her love towards you.
     
  15. Every breathing human has an active libido and we are coming to understand "sex drive" as something we create and influence. Claiming a "high sex drive" is almost like saying a high "alcohol drive" or a "crystal meth drive" or a "food drive". Often times the more we have of something, the more we want it (or think we "need" it). I think what OP was saying that after he abstained from sex, he realized what he thought was a "high sex drive" was more like a sex addiction.

    For example, I used to tell myself: well I need porn and sex at any cost and any time because I have a "high sex drive." That's almost like an acoholic saying "Well I need five shots of whiskey before breakfast because I have a high alcohol drive" or an obese person saying "I need two dozen donuts for breakfast because I have a high food drive". We actually have more control of our "drives" than we give ourselves credit for.
     
  16. Tryingto

    Tryingto Fapstronaut

    Reading your words, @noexcuses, I am struck by how self-centred my thoughts about and approach to this whole situation has been. Questions and thoughts and grumbles about my needs and my sexuality and my sense of dejections, etc... All true, fair enough - but seen through a typical addict's eyes: me, me, me and only me.

    In this light, your two sentences are revelatory. She bought me a vest the other day, for example. And was so excited and so pleased both giving it and then seeing me wear it for the first time. Obviously, this was not a [fill in sex act of your choosing], but it was from her end a real gesture of care, affection and love.

    I appreciated this, yes. But in retrospect I do feel I could have been more aware and more embracing of - I could have been more open and vulnerable to - what was going on.

    Many thanks. These are illuminating suggestions.
     
  17. Torn

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    Great advice @noexcuses and what a revelation @Tryingto!

    Pardon me if this has already been discussed, but have you read The 5 Love Languages or have you and your wife taken the quiz to discover what your love languages are? Based on your post, it seems one of her love languages might be giving/receiving gifts. Usually, we like to receive the kind of love we give, so maybe your wife would enjoy receiving gifts. Just a thought. It might be enlightening to have her take one of the online quizzes so you can learn more about the ways she'd like to receive love.
     
  18. Imho that's correct, PMO completely messes up your thoughts because it makes you do or "want" things just cause your neural pathways have formed in a particular way, not because you really want to. A PMO-free perception is critical.

    Well i agree that we can have a wrong understanding of our sex drive, but I do believe that it is a factor. I'm not talking just about wanting or "needing" sex, I'm talking about being easily sexually aroused or not. To give a personal example, I notice that when cuddling with my SO I'm usually aroused, even if I just end up ignoring it. Just being in proximity with her puts me in a sexual mood but I don't necessarily feel the need to pursue sex at that moment.
    On the contrary my SO doesn't have the same reaction most of the time while cuddling, and I find that perfectly natural.
     
  19. Tryingto

    Tryingto Fapstronaut

    I know this may be 'your brain on porn 101' but something about the way you have worded this, ToEdge, is really striking for me. As an addict I reach for porn - to offer one example - because my pathways have, for whatever reasons, formed that way. It's not that I want to, necessarily. It is, instead, that this has become what one might call 'the path of least resistance'.

    This seems to have tremendous implications for the act of not acting out. For my experience of this and for my task through this. It also, as you note, has tremendous implications regarding my capacity to see clearly in my life.

    Thanks.
     
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  20. Jonny123

    Jonny123 Fapstronaut

    Thank you for this thread @Tryingto. I feel my situation is very similar - I get on well with my loving wife but she has very little or no sex drive. That led me to becoming "needy" and droping hints so that I could get relief from her. I previously did 360 days hard mode but lapsed for six months. I am now trying a period of celibacy to see how that might work out. Experience of nearly a year was good, and now, only 10 days in I have a certain glow ( maybe imagined) and am thinking - maybe this celibacy will be ok
    why dont you change your counter to PMO form PM and join us celibates!!!
     

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