I strongly believe that porn escalation is linked to trauma. The path of escalation is different from a porn addict to another which may confirm the trauma theory since not everyone ends up escalating to the same extreme thing. Porn taste reflects more than just being horny, I guess the trauma theory is pretty solid when it comes to HOCD too since recent studies tie OCD to PTSD which may explain why porn escalation can trigger HOCD since there is trauma beneath it all. What do you think guys?
yes A ton of information the books "The Body Keeps the Score" and Jay Stringer's "Unwanted" The first is more for general trauma but helpful, the second is focused on unwanted sexual behaviors.
One thing is escalating to gay porn and the other is having HOCD. Those are two completely different things although there are people that suffer from both at the same time.
In my case porn escalation woken the anxiety, depression and questioning in my head. So yeah, they can be linked.
Of course they can be linked, often times escalating to gay porn will trigger HOCD but there are people with HOCD who don't watch gay porn or have any gay fantasy. Or people that watch gay porn but don't have HOCD.
Yes, of course not every escalation equals HOCD...But generally "Porn Induced HOCD" (I strongly believe there is a difference between Standard HOCD and porn Induced HOCD) is due to escalation and excessive consumption of a genre that doesn't match one's sexuality, that be it gay porn or straight porn.
Exactly, that's why I prefer to make the difference between the types of HOCDs. To make it clear, I believe that Porn-Induced HOCD isn't the pure form of HOCD (unless if someone has already been suffering from OCD since a young age and it shifted to this theme with porn. Even in the forum, people who suffer the most from HOCD even after Nofap are people who have a history of OCD ). I've observed HOCD sufferers that never escalated to gay porn and that one day woke up with the thought of becoming gay. They are usually not aroused by gay porn even when checking as a compulsion (Hence the reassurance that is completely different from the porn-induced one)...On the other hand, porn-induced HOCD sufferers were indeed aroused by gay porn at one point due to the escalation and dopamine cravings and that created the confusion that usually subsides after abstinence because it's more of a fetish than anything else. Even the questions asked by the two types of sufferers are different : - HOCD sufferer: "What if I'm gay because my mind tells me so?" - Porn-Induced HOCD: There is no what ifs..."I watched gay porn, that means I'm gay?" The dilemma of a Porn-Induced HOCD sufferer is that he has concrete proof that he might be gay or bisexual because he was turned on by same-sex porn, and his confusion makes him neglect the huge effect that dopamine cravings can have on the person, and what addiction can make one do...Essentially every sexual act is arousing, you will eventually ejaculate as long as you're masturbating no matter what you're watching. The reason why a lot of Porn-Induced HOCD sufferers watch their OCD like symptoms fade away after abstaining and not giving to the cravings is that it's just pure confusion (Sometimes not as intense as typical HOCD that can be very debilitating) caused by porn stimuli, the source is taken away so what created the link between fantasy and reality die away, but the sufferer is left with a huge crack in his self-esteem and confidence due to guilt and shame.
Because every person is different. Every one of us has a different story but in many cases the same outcome.
I had some periods of paranoia and overthinking to some subjects since I was a kid. Subjects like paranormal, illnesses, death or the end of the world etc. There was a time when I couldn't sleep because of the thoughts. I'm a paranoid person who overthinks everything. Combine that with some anxiety and depression and it will result something very bad. ,,- Porn-Induced HOCD: There is no what ifs..."I watched gay porn, that means I'm gay?" '' that's a little bit wrong. You have intrusive thoughts and the question is ,,What IF I'm gay because I've watched x type of porn?'' So there's a ,,if''. This is the question that was killing me, and it still in my mined to some degree, for months.
Yeah, that's exactly what I meant HOCD that wasn't created overnight because of porn is always tied to precedent disorders (Anxiety, excessive overthinking, ocd). I may have misphrased my comparison for the sake of showing that one comes from thin air and the other comes from "proof", eventually all OCDs are an exaggeration of what-if questions. I have HOCD to a degree too (escalation to literally one MMF video) but questioning my sexuality has faded away after nearly 2 months of abstaining, I no longer question if I'm straight or bisexual, I just know even tho OCD is embracing the uncertainty. The intrusive thoughts aren't as bad as they were the first day, but I'm still struggling with some anxiety generally coming from the guilt. Also flatline doesn't help much with the low libido
Yeah, same as you, this questioning and intrusive thoughts got better as time passed but they are still there to some degree. It's good that you stop early. Unfortunately, for me it was much worse. I got into much more terrible stuff than trans/sissy(gay) porn. Those 2 are just the middle things. I've watched stuff on some questionable sites that could have got me into prison if I didn't stop at a certain time. I became so desensitized that I could watch women getting tortured or killed and still be aroused. That's when I said stop.
Damn, I can only imagine your state, but you can overcome this. I actually was "tricked" by porn, my mind told me as long as there is a woman and at least a penis then it's fine. I eventually escalated to the first extreme level "Gangbangs & cuckold", then it became transexual women with cis-gender women (didn't escalate to trans women and men) then threesomes MFM, then at one point I looked at MMF and the two men interaction was what set the alert for me. What's fascinating is my mind, even after thousands of porn videos that were either straight or lesbian, got hooked on one video out of context, and it was able to make the cravings for the genre strong even tho I didn't sink into it. It literally took one video, that's how our brains are malleable.
it took one video and you coming back for more. But what is it that first gave you an erection? and i doubt one can just keep masturbation after he switch to the local news or something that turn him off, if he keep masturbation to gay porn then he like it maybe not much but he definitely like it.
This is a little bit funny, but I can do that. If it is a sexy female journalist on the news...well. I liked snuff and gore porn, but I would do that in reality? F**k no. There are times when you need to stop and see the barrier between fantasy and reality. Like you said in another topic: ,,Or for another example just because i have a virtual soccer team that i manage does not mean i will go out of my way to do it in real life.'' That's the thing.
Well, I didn't comeback, that was the only video I've watched and it f%$ked me up. I'm gonna speak from my experience, the erection came because of the woman first, and then since it was a threesome, the guys interacted too. I actually turned the phone away to not look before ejaculating because the guys were doing their thing...And regarding the local news thing, news aren't a sexual act...the same person wouldn't be turned on by q gay couple in a movie or something.
ah okay i misread then, but if you only orgasmed because you were turned on by the female it did not "f*** you up", guilt-tripping is useless and too much stress can physically harm your body.
I would reply and offer more info, but keep in mind activists keep getting threads like this deleted, so if you find useful information here, save it in some offline format.
dude you better quit while you are ahead, the goal of this site is helping people to stay off pmo everything else is irrelevant.
If helpful information and sources are posted by me and others and then it gets deleted by LGBT activists, then it is relevant to let people know that. You and others who support censorship do so because you can't win arguments.
