Porn but no masturbation

Having used 45 years, worked in some production, and part of many pro-porn groups
before realizing my addiction.
I can say 100% I never talked with anyone who could do one and not the other and quit.

Its so important to realize Porn is not an addiction to the eyes, or hand.
Its a addiction in the brain.....!

Want some chocolate but your doctors says you can't? And addict will find away around it and to
also justify it.
No. It wont make it easier OP, doing one and not the other in fact id say you have a 100% chance of relapsing doing just that.

I knew on guy I met in 2001 he was my age I am now then,(I'm 55) he died last year also a friend I knew 20years older
also died last year. These were red blooded men, had wives and had a porn addiction they died with.
Knowing them I watched as time and time again they tried everything to quit masturbating and watching porn except stop doing one or the other.

Justification for actions is so strong in our heads that we will seek out the far corners of the internet until we find even one post that says its Ok to do what were doing. We will start fights, act victimized and do anything for one more show.

 

GOOOD POST

 

I've tried porn without masturbation. IT DOES NOT WORK !! later on you will fall for the same trap again and will fap ! believe me, I've been there !

 

I tried not watching porn or M but looked at things on Instrgram and Facebook that eventually triggered me to watch porn. I am so far gone that unless I am watching a porn video I can't MO. Watching porn and not masturbating would be like an alcoholic trying to to quit hanging out in a bar. I know it probably can be done but it would for sure be harder.

 

you have to give up completely in order to fully heal from this shit. try getting hobbies, download porn blockers, stay busy, and try not to be alone

 

P without M is a very bad idea. Like @SaltedPeter said, it's not an addiction of the genitals or the hand that you suffer from, it's a brain-led behavioral pattern that uses visual stimulation to get started. I can't see anyone resisting to fiddling their junk when P is on if they don't have the willpower to resist the urge to look at P in the first place.

M without P can have the slowing effect you want, but only if you are able to NOT FANTASIZE and M only to physical sensations. Hint : you won't at first. In time you will.

It's the approach I used to get my biggest reboots done after completing several on hardmode. Because I was failing at hardmode I allowed the occasional M to naturally arise while promising myself that I would never P anymore. And it worked, since it taught me a lot about the different stimuli/cues that used to get my pattern going, etc. And knowing that was a blessing to avoid the potholes in the road.

My counter shows some of that. The M-free challenge that I imposed was to get total hardmode on. (full disclosure : Last time I M'd was after a torrid dream and I litteraly just woke up and O'd after 10s. So I reset for the sake of being honest with myself)

But I agree with most who say it takes longer.

 

So you dont even agree with masturbating to fantasy of having sex with a woman you fancy? That would seem pretty harmless to me.

 

I'd say it's dangerous at first, the fantasy is filled with so much P imagery/codes/references that we're pushing those P buttons.. Don't you think? Most people can do that without blinking, because they don't have the Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads, but we do. I guess it's exactly the middle "setting" which people have to decide for themselves, if someone feels he can fantasize this way while quitting P, then why not. But I believe the instant gratification cycle can easily transfer from PMO to FMO (F for Fantasy) and we wouldn't be much better off?

And to be fully transparent, I did M a couple of months ago, after a dream of an ex, but I already had 200+ days without P under my belt and haven't been in danger to relapse because of it. Closer to the beginning of my challenge I wouldn't have dared. Maybe I'm too cautious

 

OK maybe look at it like this, its allot like trying to sharpen a knife in the dark, it can be done but at what cost.
You ( and I ) have an addiction because we have a fantasy thats what porn is, some fantasize about going to the moon, and
some do to porn. You can't go to the moon but you can watch porn hence your brain does not see it as a fantasy not once you are addicted you can't simply turn one off and the other on it doesn't work like that. Try telling your self to stop thinking?
Thats about the only way to avoid not having fantasy trigger. ( hint) we are always thinking !
If quitting was easy it wouldn't be an addiction and everyone would do it with ease, its hard because we are addicted.

 

I think as long as you fantasize from your point of view and not of watching two people. Keep the fantasies realistic, kissing, fondling etc...

 

Its hard for me because on hard mode i get prostate issues so i need to ejaculate, problem is i havent rebooted enough to be able to M to sensation alone so its catch 22

 

I have had that thought, too, especially for younger guys.

That's just a thought I've had, not a recommendation, that I haven't tested. In my case, I don't get overwhelming physical urges, like spontaneous erections - I relapse because I want to look at porn.

Throughout history, before porn, It seems inevitable that young men sporadically masturbated - without porn - and we're still here. Though we don't know if guys who masturbated were less likely to reproduce or succeed in life.


But, perhaps for many here, MO will lead back to PMO. So there's that to be wary of.

 

But P without release via M - if you can actually do it - is one of the worst choices. You get all the super-stimulus an novelty that is impossible in real life - yet none of benefits of release. Look up "edging" on yourbrainonporn.com.