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Partner downloading but not viewing. Advice needed please

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by Salt & Light, Sep 3, 2019.

  1. Salt & Light

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    Hello all,
    My boyfriend has been using P since his teen years and has spent the last 2 1/2 years in and out of recovery (mostly out). In May he decided to re-boot after I discovered another relapse. He was binge viewing and downloading. He started a reboot which lasted 59 days. His initial reboot back in 2017 was 120 days. We had an argument which triggered an emotional spiral. It's quite evident he's suffering with depression and has been for many years. His latest 59 day reboot was going quite well, he was certain he wanted to recover and deleted a vast quantity of P. However since his last relapse he has lost all faith and is very fearful of failure. He has even told me he doesn't feel capable of giving up P now which is a shock considering he has tried previously. I'm confused because he has viewed P since then but is mostly downloading, not viewing. He turns internet images off and downloads. Storing but not viewing? Having trouble letting go?
    I don't really know what to do, has anybody experienced this type of behavior before?
    I'm not sure whether to move on, I've tried to support him but our relationship has taken a big knock. He is being truthful now, which took 2 years. I'm very grateful for this honesty but he now doesn't seem to know whether the wants to quit anymore. Any advice or tips would be greatly appreciated! Anything I can even pass onto him, he seems so lost! Thank you!
     
  2. miXhal

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    Pray for him. I will, too. May I ask for his name?
     
  3. Perhaps he has a form of OCD where he feels driven to just collect as much as he can and hoard it for some sort of security? Also, you mention he turned off the internet images and downloads. Is he just downloading pictures or videos too? If it’s video with images turned off but the sound on, then maybe he is listening to the sounds and getting aroused by them? Hope you can work things out. 2+ years is a lot of time invested together.
     
  4. Salt & Light

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    Hello, thank you for reply. He's not actually on NoFap. He is very private and has not reached out to others yet, I'm not sure if he ever will. Thank again.
     
  5. MisterDirection

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    I would say he is looking at a different time or perhaps on a device that is not reporting. Or maybe fighting the urge to watch.

    Not much help sorry.

    I do find your user name very intriguing. Does it have a special meaning or just something you put together?
     
  6. Salt & Light

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    Yeah, we have considered that. He is the same with music and games. I thought it may be a hording issue? But I've no idea where to start with that, especially alongside an addiction! I always assumed 'collecting' happened alongside the addiction itself, I may be wrong. To answer your other question. It's videos, he always muted videos when using anyway, he doesn't like the sounds and he's doesn't even get aroused when viewing anymore, unless he is alone at home and M but this has only happened twice over 18 months. So he seems to be downloading without any visuals and just storing. Doesn't really watch them much anymore, only occasionally. I considered it may be a way to pacify the compulsion but without actually seeing anything. Although he does still consider this behavior as 'using'. Thank you for your reply, I hope mine sheds some light.
     
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  7. letter

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    Abstaining from porn isn’t going to make him a whole man. He needs to become a whole man, and then abstaining from porn will be much easier to do.

    He’s gotta confront his father issues, mother issues, family issues...he’s gotta go through all his darkness and deal with it.

    He’s probably full of fear: fear of rejection, fear of failure, fear of being alone. These usually settle into a man’s heart from lack of love during childhood. Without these being settled and him finding confidence and acceptance within himself then porn will always be a struggle. Porn is like artificial acceptance & fake intimacy.

    He needs real intimacy, read that Into-Me-See. He’s gonna have to be vulnerable and let someone he trusts to show him love in whatever areas he believes can’t be loved.

    All the best to you.
     
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  8. Salt & Light

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    Well, he's using his work computer to do it. Full access. He has a mobile without internet and his laptop has parental controls. All his choice, to give him an initial break while he rebooted and found some strength. His work computer cannot be avoided, the addiction used to be localized to home and some mobile use. Since I moved in 2 years ago, the addiction has become far worse and spread to other ares of his life, dangerous.
    Thank you, I threw the name together really. I was born on the coast, i.e Salt (love the sea) and my name means 'bringer of light' - however it was my local church which game me the idea - I just personalized it, so yeah it's special!
     
  9. Salt & Light

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    Thank you very much!
     
  10. MisterDirection

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    Well it's not my local church but I visit a church by the same name on Friday nights for CR meetings . So if that sets off any familiar things I will speak of it no more of it.

    But certainly good luck to you and your partner
     
  11. Honestly, the best thing would be for him to just cut all ties to downloading and storing porn. Even without an addiction, that is still getting into a really gray area. Perhaps there are other underlying issues relating to the hoarding to address alongside the addiction. There may be some sort of deficiency in his life from the past or present that the hoarding provides a source of comfort? I’m no psychologist but that’s my two cents.
     
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  12. Salt & Light

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    Yeah I imagine this is the case. It didn't really occur to me until recently. Thank you for the advice, much appreciated!
     
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  13. You're welcome! Keep us posted on any progress.
     
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  14. IamOlive

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    So sorry you are going through this. I’m an SO as well and trying to figure out all the pieces and whys can be hard.

    Here is a theory as a perfectionist and someone that has OCD myself.

    With my business I read and watch tons of videos, podcasts and books. Tons. I always think I’m going to miss some magically piece of information. I have FOMO (fear of missing out).

    I go through these spells where I have to stop and take a break. Stop reading, listening and watching. I get overwhelmed and can’t juggle life as well.

    But here is the catch. Because I know I’m on a break (not quitting learning), when I’m online I “collect” things to listen to and read later. I mean what if that article is the best one and the holy grail.

    That long ramble to say, maybe he isn’t watching now but maybe he is collecting for later because he isn’t fully committed to quitting. So maybe these downloads are his way not having FOMO.
     
  15. Salt & Light

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    Yeah I think this may be an issue for him, or maybe any addict who fears commitment to recovery. He's always collected when using P but during his last reboot there was none of that. I think he knows he needs to recover, whether he wants to anymore is also up for debate, so I think perhaps he is clinging on during his indecision? I find it odd, being neither in or out. This is not good for me, I'm living in limbo with no idea whether to stay or go. My thoughts....'Is this a bad patch?', 'Will he attempt another recovery?'. I feel it's all up in the air.
     
  16. MisterDirection

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    Maybe time for my not so favorite new tools that I learned my life cant be without

    Boundaries and consequences

    Maybe some basic things that you need to so that you know if he's in or out.

    Maybe no P watched or downloaded
    Maybe a weekly SA meeting participation like I do

    My feeling is start small and basic to see if he's in.

    Then better define what you need for safety and healing while he recovers himself
     
  17. IamOlive

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    I don't know if you have ever done this, but I have a section in my closet that I call my big girl pants. It’s my pants INCASE I gain weight back. To me that means I’m NOT fully committed and until I am and throw away those pants, I’m not really getting all the way healthy and changing my ways.

    He has to fully commit and he has to do it for himself. You can’t do it for him. Just like my husband can’t throw away my big girl pants and me not run out and buy a backup pair.

    This stuff is tough.
     
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  18. Salt & Light

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    I agree with boundaries, but part of the issue is our relationship has become...difficult, communication wise. I've only been getting truthful answers for a couple of months. I've made mistakes too, I must admit. I feel if I lay too many consequences at this stage he may start lying again out of shame and fear. Very awkward situation! I'm currently attempting to bring balance back to our relationship too, so he feels safe and secure. He's only just got the courage to not cross the lying boundary. I can sense a tipping point. I think it feels worse for me because he's attempted reboots before and I can see hope yet he cannot because he is consumed.
     
  19. Salt & Light

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    Hum, I understand the boundaries. But I'm not very good with consequences part. Any suggestions please? I never know if I'm being too tough or not respectful of myself enough. He knows I will eventually leave, I guess..but that's not a present danger. And I guess humans deal with present dangers/problems right?
     
  20. IamOlive

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    Boundaries are good, but maybe start out with your non negotiables and not too many?
     

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