P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, May 12, 2019.

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  1. endthecycle90

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    I'm definitely going through this and it sucks. I'm just trying to grin and bear it best I can.
     
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  2. doker

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    You said it right there and is the reason why we are here today, "I cut back, but didn't stop". Anyway we know what we have to do now and turn our lives around for a better future, good luck to you as well mate.
     
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  3. doker

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    Kindling is when you have an addiction for a long time, then you stop and your brain starts the healing process, but the person starts relapsing repeatedly instead of doing a long period of abstinence. What happens is that withdrawals symptoms will get worse and worse as the years go by. Not a good place to be.
     
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  4. doker

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    I have a question for the long term rebooters. Have you checked your testosterone levels during the flatline?. I think this is a very important piece of the puzzle as well.
     
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  5. Gorkhaliwarrior

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    Test increases dopamine in the brain. Once you go off the test your dopamine levels come to baseline. That's not healing.
    It feels like we are walking in a dark tunnel with no light at the end. Feels like we have wasted our lives for ever and staying away from PMO now for the rest of our lives is the only good option for us. Being celibate, spiritual, worshiping god and asking for forgiveness, being alone is the best option for us now. If we release just once it will be like a drug relapse. Difficult road ahead.
     
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  6. Stay strong my brothers, we can do it! :)
     
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  7. Age 42

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    Today I noticed that I have difficulty having good balance while walking, it's like being drunk and not being able to control your movements.I know from reading it somewhere that dopamine plays a role in motor functioning, still fog celebrates that varies from a lot to little to little and in the evening for 30 minutes it disappears completely this is the most annoying for me, not having erections or low libido perhaps helps to avoid relapse but the celebrating fog doesn't allow me to concentrate or think clearly.
     
  8. sikreodds97

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    I believe flatline from nofap to be energy blockages the more and more i go. Ive been in flatline for years it has ruined my life, so far at least. The superpowers started on/off the first year i practiced but on a Long streak they were gone forever. Only time i have felt good is after powerful wet dreams, first time doing TRE and Wim hof breathing(Got rid of my anhedonia both of these for days), and after a relapse after a Long streak where i litterally felt the energy flowing again and Got insane female magnetism for about 2 weeks.

    there is more to this than just dopamine, i legit feel like we have to work with out root and sacral chakra. I believe we need to do Wim hof Daily, TRE 2-4x times a week, kundalini yoga and Long meditation sessions all while consciously working on our emotions and trauma.

    thats my plan from now on combined with Semen retention 2 years at least, this has to bring the superpowers back.
     
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  9. Be Inspired

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    I experienced positive effects on my well-being from magic mushrooms and amanita muscaria. Amanita muscaria is dangerous is large doses, should only be microdosed.
     
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    it would be interesting to hear if anyone has microdosed mushrooms during paws
     
  11. Gorkhaliwarrior

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    Hey tony. Anything new worth saying? How is your life/work going? Dont you find yourself lonely at times?
     
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  12. sikreodds97

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    I did TRE last night and today i have had emotions for the first time in years, and less anxiety and more spiritual compassion and happiness.
    It will probably plateu like it used to but i genuily Think that TRE can speed up paws and clear blockages. The problem is that people stop doing it. We have to do it 3-4x times a week for months if not a year.

    I believed paws was just about dopamine for years, now i know its also about energy and blockages. Meditation, kundalini yoga, Wim hof and TRE can be the key i believe.

    i will Update you guys in a month or two.
     
  13. mentorr

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    Trauma (or suppressed emotions) sensitises the nervous system, it makes the nervous system sensitive. We then pick up addictions as a way to cope with the emotions but it actually assists in pushing you into PAWS.

    If someone is rejected by women in younger years, they might adapt by PMO’ing privately to avoid rejection. It is as you said, we all need connection, and PMO is a safe way to feel that connection. If a person grew up in a strict family and was taught not to cry, their body might adapt by never allowing them to cry to prevent being judged. If someone spends years living life alone avoiding the world due to fear of being rejected, their body might adapt through excessive gaming, YouTube, social media aka isolation. The situation/story might be different for everyone.

    The problem is the feelings that are experienced in these situations dont just disappear, they have to go somewhere, and that place is within the body, the muscle tissue. Notice that as soon as we stopped PMO (or any other addiction) our negative feelings start to come up. Some people report irrational mood swings, some report random bouts of crying for days. Some report insomnia which is essentially the mind "talking" out the emotions preventing sleep. This is all the bottled emotions coming to the surface after stopping using PMO (or other addictions) to block them. If we remain in this state for long enough THEN we move into PAWS.

    Flatline (or Fight-Flight, Hyperarousal) = Frustration, Irritation, Anger, Worry, Anxiety Fear
    PAWS (or Freeze, Hypoarousal) = Depression, Numbness, Dissociation, Shame, Anhedonia

    We say we experience flatline while in PAWS but I think what makes sense is we actually subtly move between the two. They are two separate states.

    What likely separates someone from healing within 3-6-12 months, and us "long term" PAWS guys is that we have stored emotions and the other guys don't. As long as we run to PMO, video games, social media, junk food, alcohol, whenever we feel the negative emotions, we will simply create a never ending loop that keeps us in PAWS. Learning to sit in the shitty emotions and accept them is what will get you out of PAWS. Deal with the emotions and the urges for PMO will disappear forever. 100%.

    Again I am not saying this is the case for everybody, but I would say it applies to many here.
     
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  14. Be Inspired

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    Brother, this information is priceless
     
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  15. Thanks for the information @mentorr , really helpful.
     
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  16. Well when it comes to my work I'm doing my best, although I feel so tired lately - I feel like there is something inside my brain holding me from giving my 100% ( It's nothing but PAWS for sure. )
    Regarding loneliness - I'm lonely must of the time, all I care and think about is when this PAWS Chapter gonna be over, up until now everything is okay, I hope it will keep on this way until I'll heal.
    I wish everyone in here to heal as well, we've been through a lot so far. We better stay strong!
     
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  17. mentorr

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    I have tried taking psilocybin while in PAWS a few times and while I think it definitely propels you forward in recovery (in my opinion), microdosing might not be the way forward long term. The problem is that psilocybin (or magic mushrooms) will gradually aggrevate your nervous system like any other stimulant and push you deeper into flatline/PAWS.

    When I did take it I found it gave me the energetic hangover that we all get after a relapse, and it took a week or two to return to normal.

    This is just my experience.
     
  18. OhWhenThe

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    I don't believe in any of the blocked energy/trauma theories, I also don't know why there's such an insistence that there must be an emotional/spiritual/psychological aspect to all of this. Go and read some weed or benzo paws success stories, none of them got out of it with deep soul-searching and TRE, they got out of it with time and abstinence. Porn paws is no different. A therapist can't talk you out of paws and a palm reader can't tell you when it will end. Paws is simple, you don't need to overcomplicate it. Take responsibility for what put you here rather than blaming it on something imaginary.
     
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  19. I got a question:

    What is the longest PAWS true story on the internet ?

    Of course with zero relapse in between.
     
  20. I never tried TRE, I think you are right ( time and abstinence is the only cure )
    What's the worst of all these addictionin terms of PAWS ? Is it: Benzos, Weed, Drugs, PMO ?
     
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