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Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by Torn, Oct 4, 2017.

  1. Torn

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    Hi, everyone.

    I'm feeling heartbroken. My bf of almost 3 years has been relapsing at least the past 3 months and lying all about it until recently. He disclosed quite a bit to me a little over a week ago, and I've been reeling ever since. I'd already given him a couple of chances, and last time, I gave him an ultimatum -- it would be me or porn, not both. So, after his recent disclosure, I was VERY angry and pointed out he chose porn over me, that I felt I had no choice but to leave, and I even asked if he could help me leave. He was extremely apologetic and said he wanted to show me with his actions -- not just his words -- that he was serious. I was devastated, and so was he. It was a horrible night.

    After some time to think and hearing some good advice, I decided I didn't need to flee just yet. It wouldn't hurt me to sit tight (I'm safe in my home), and I could give him a chance to SHOW me with actions he was serious about his apology and committed to his recovery. He's been seeing a SA specialist (though that dwindled down to 1x/month, about the time this relapse began) and going to a weekly group. I told him I'd like to see him going to his therapist more frequently to get through this relapse, and I also said I'd like for us to go to couple's therapy. He didn't flat-out refuse, but he has expressed financial concerns about investing in therapy. This is not the time or thing to be thrifty about!

    Anyway, it seems in the couple of days after his disclosure, he focused on letting me go. He told me he realized he wasn't that happy in our relationship anyway, that he'd been lying to himself. WTH?!!! I hear a great deal of denial in so many things he's said recently, especially about the impact of his addiction on our family (he has 2 daughters we have 50% of the time). He's very resistant when I bring up his addiction, how maybe he'll have a different perspective after he's sober for awhile, how porn changes the brain. (He still hasn't watched "Your Brain on Porn" that his therapist recommended last November.) It seems he'd rather shift the focus away from his addiction now, instead focusing on his fantasy of providing an idyllic family to his daughters, which if you're part of a stepfamily, you know it doesn't work that way. So much is out of my control being a stepmom, it's frustrating! And their mom is extremely high-conflict, so it's better for my mental and emotional health -- and therefore our relationship -- if I stay away from her, which means I haven't been going to sports events where she's present, which bothers him.

    Basically, I feel we're in limbo at the moment. He hasn't responded to my latest request for couple's therapy. It doesn't seem like it's completely over, though. It's obvious there's still a lot of love there. He's saying nice things and doing nice little things, but those things are meaningless without a serious commitment and actions toward REAL change. I don't hear conviction or determination when he speaks. I hear fear. I'm afraid he stepped back into pre-contemplation or contemplation after his relapse, and I'm not sure he's willing to do the hard work now to recover. :( It seems so senseless and sad to throw a relationship away that has so much good in it -- over porn. I hate this addiction so much!
     
  2. ItsNeverTooLate

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    I’m sorry you’re gettng this response. It does seem senseless. At the same time, it’s better to know now that he is not ready to try to change than find out years from now and wish you had left when you could. It’s a difficult decision you will have to make. I hope, for both your sakes, that he can realize he deserves better self esteem and self worth for himself and that you deserve better respect and compassion. Best wishes! Stay strong!❤️
     
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  3. Torn

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    Thank you for your response, INTL!

    Last night, he had a different demeanor, finally. It seems group therapy and a little discussion with his therapist afterward helped him. He brought up couple's therapy! He showed his T the recommendations I'd gotten, including a couple's therapist at the same center where he's going. He said his therapist wasn't too crazy about either of them and recommended this supposedly excellent couple's therapist who does EFT. According to my bf, his T agreed with him it's not just about the porn. (I'm sure my bf loved hearing that!) What my bf got out of the discussion is the porn addiction is a symptom -- but that the underlying issues have to do with our attachment styles. His T said if we can create a more secure attachment between us, we could get through everything else. His T also recommended my bf reach out to one of the other men in group this week (something he has avoided, so we will see if he follows through).

    I'm still very guarded. I told him I'd think about what his T said, and while his T seems great, I don't know him. He said we could meet with him if I'd like. Of course, it wouldn't be for couple's therapy per se, as he's been my bf's T for nearly a year. I'm concerned he's trying to steer me away from a couple's therapist who specializes in SA and who is a part of the SA center he attends. I'm afraid he could be lying. I basically want to know he is 100% committed to his recovery and see he's very clearly taking steps to reboot. I want to know what the treatment plan is going forward. I don't want to go to a couple's T who avoids the so-called "symptom." I want my bf to acknowledge how his addiction affects our relationship and therefore our entire stepfamily.
     
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  4. Queen_Of_Hearts_13

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    @Torn EFT is honestly amazing for communication! EFT has saved my marriage with my husband when it comes to communication. We do EFT couples therapy and it's been great for us. Just make sure to "vet" the therapist and ask their opinion on porn addiction before setting a session. Lots of therapists actually recommend porn as a way for couples to spice things up or therapists out there who blame the SO and enable the addict. Just do your research, have a phone consultaiton, ask them questions, and if you feel it's a good fit set up a session. Also, make sure if you do go to an SA therapist, they follow a trauma model instead of a co-dependant model (co-dependant model = blame the SO). Trauma model is more effective since it gives the SO the right to their feelings and validates their experience instead of pathologizing the SO.

    Hope this helps! And I hope you and your bf can get through this, good luck!
     
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  5. Torn

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    Thank you for the excellent advice, AA! I'm happy for you EFT has helped you and your husband when it comes to communication! Has it helped address the addiction issue? And how (if you have time to get into that)?

    That's a GREAT idea to vet the therapist first. I'll do that.

    You're right about some therapists enabling the addict. We ran into a problem with his first therapist who I discovered after several months had been treating him not as an addict but as someone with a normal habit that most men have. She had never even explained the addiction cycle to him! She also implied he was seeking out porn as a -- completely normal -- stress reliever due to unspoken issues with me. That's when I sought out a CSAT therapist, who he's been seeing (individually and weekly group) for almost a year.

    I agree about the trauma vs. co-dependant models. I will not accept blame for this addiction that's been in my bf's life decades longer than I've even known him. Also, I'm definitely suffering trauma and the ensuing PTSD symptoms.
     
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  6. Queen_Of_Hearts_13

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    @Torn We don't necessarily talk about his addiction in couples therapy unless that's where the communication problem is. We have EFT tomorrow, and I figure we will be talking about the misunderstanding in communication revolving around sex (which does have some things to do with addiction). Last session we talked about, well I broke down crying, about his addiction, so addiction does come up, it just comes up if that is the root of the communication issue or the root of other issues. My husband has an individual therapist he works on his addiction with, and that therapist is very knowledgable in addiction and has completely understood how I was betrayed. One of the first therapists my husband saw was a Sex Addict therapist, and my husband wasted so much money on that guy ($200/session) and after months of minimal progress when my husband said it wasn't working out the therapist texted him that my husband didn't have an addiction because he didn't use for 5 or 6 hours a day and blamed me and said Iwas the problem.... so yes, Vet Your Therapists! It can save you tons of money and wasted time!

    Also I'm tagging you in a thread it has helpful video's for the addict to watch to understand the betrayal, and they are also great for the SO to watch to feel validated!
     
  7. Torn

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    Thanks again, AA!

    I just watched the apology from an addict video in your signature. I cried. I would LOVE for my bf to watch it and to truly "get it." Has your husband watched it? How did you approach him about watching it? I'm trying to pick one thing at a time, and this video might have gone to the top of my list.
     
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  8. Queen_Of_Hearts_13

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    @Torn That apology video made me cry too when I first watched it. My husband watched it, said he wish he could say something that profound. My husband has apologized verbally in the ways of, "I'm sorry" "I'm sorry I hurt you, I never meant to do that" "I would take it all back if I could" etc. My husband is over a year free of PMO and in the beginning he wasn't ready to do recovery work and dragged his feet. Since I study psychology and know so much, I knew the drill with addiction and therapy, so I helped him a lot in the first year. I guess I helped him get his footing. My husband now watches any video I ask, will do some reading, we have talks about the addiction and how it's impacted both of us. But it took a while to get to him not being defensive and dragging his feet. I'll also tag you in the thread for Resources
     
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  9. Torn

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    Thanks, AA! I'm glad your husband has been PMO-free for over a year -- that's wonderful!! :emoji_raised_hands:

    My SO has always been receptive to reading articles, talking about the addiction (although he was lying the past few months when we'd talk), etc. -- until recently, after he relapsed. I think he is starting to soften up his defensiveness a bit, though. I've read and learned lots about psychology but still have lots to learn about addiction. How did you help your husband "get his footing?"
     
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  10. Queen_Of_Hearts_13

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    @Torn I helped my husband get his footing in a couples ways.

    First, given my knowledge of addiction and psychology I wasn't playing around. I also saw that my husband was completely and utterly lost, not really functioning well.

    I laid down the law. No video games. Check history daily. Let me know if he has an urge, has slipped or relapsed. 100% honesty, anything less I leave. Get into therapy. Those were the things I needed to be there.

    He got into therapy, but it took him about a year to find a really good therapist who understood the addiction.I did tons of research, found forums, read articles, watched video's etc. I got as informed as possible so I could help my husband learn as well. Once he was stable I said he had to take lead now.

    He has turned his life around educationally (went from flunking out to a straight A student!). Is being more responsible with work, has gotten back into old passions and made time for them, overall being more creative. The one area he still struggles with is the rebuilding the relationship part, but it's been getting better.
     
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