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Discussion in 'New to NoFap' started by Telomere, May 21, 2019.

  1. Telomere

    Telomere Fapstronaut

    So I reckon I am older than most Fapstronauts though I think age has nothing to do with destructive behaviours. I have probably been addicted to porn since I was 7 or 8 : I distinctly remember being show porn mags by some of the older guys and being fascinated by it. Hooked from the first sample, my tastes and peccadilloes have morphed over the decades but I reckon I am now ready to make a good stab at begin in control

    I exercise, run bike, kayak, go to the gym a few times a week, I am in a running club and a cycling club rarely drink, don't smoke and eat pretty healthy so my overall lifestyle is healthy: my obsessions with porn and chat rooms are a degenerative affliction and are not healthy at all.

    SO the plan: just stop and stay stopped with a few mitigations

    1) Cold Turkey software on all of my machines with block lists of all my old sites: this software can't be easily removed and the timers are set to block until Dec 19
    2) Router at home is configured to use Safe DNS which will block porn sites
    3) Mobile phone contract has adult content disabled so I can't get to porn by using my phone data allowance
    4) I have enforced Safe Search on Google via the Hosts File but cant do same with Bing so may block the search engine using Cold Turkey: doing similar with Yahoo. I have found in the past that the chimp will convince me to use image search and then it all kicks off again
    5) Going to reread the Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg: its a super book on understanding triggers and ways to interrupt
    6) Even more exercise and cold showers: I have a home gym as well so will use more weights to offset urges

    I am a devout atheist and PhD scientist by background so I don't go with belief systems preferring facts and evidence to faith and surrendering to higher powers


    Anything I have missed in the above list (save for huge determination, focus, discipline and tenacity !)
     
  2. Welcome here @Telomere ! It sounds like you’ve got a lot of good defenses set up. I imagine that you’ve tried some or all of those defenses before. Do you find them effective? Our minds get pretty creative when we are determined to cheat the system. What are some of the weaknesses of the defenses you have put place. What caused your latest relapse? Just a few questions to break the ice. I hope you find the success you are seeking.

    How do you feel about people who do believe in a higher power?
     
  3. I’m digging your name, pal. :) Good to have you around!

    As mentioned, you seem to have a solid system in place to increase your chances of success. Also really positive lifestyle choices. That’s very important and you’ve gone to great lengths to make it so, just need to capitalize on the good factors you’ve got there.

    Genuinely looking forward to hearing more from you. Peace.
     
  4. synchros

    synchros Fapstronaut

    You seem to be putting a lot of focus on blockers. For what it's worth, blockers have never worked out for me. A few years ago I went as far as getting rid of all of my computers, locking down my phone (my girlfriend helped me with that) etc. etc. Worked for like a week before my "problem solving" (hah) skills found a workaround. Maybe not even a week.

    And then we have the other aspects that get more apparent when you get a few days/weeks into a streak. You start substituting ogling women, watching movies, whatever, for P, essentially feeding that same reward system.

    To me, this is a learning process, and it takes place in our minds. What seems to be helping me the most (I can't speak for anyone else, obviously) is studying the journals of others as well as the more scientific aspects of P. I keep reading, bookmarking, re-reading and so on to essentially brainwash (in a good way, I hope) myself. I think the key is to really internalize that P is bad for us. As long as we're struggling, we haven't managed to convince ourselves.
     
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  5. Telomere

    Telomere Fapstronaut


    Thanks for the welcome, and yes, our chimp brains will work around blockers. The principle for me is to put a barrier in place that allows some time for an interrupt. It's based on the science of habit and the trigger-feedback loop of dopamine addiction. It's the anticipation of dopamine that drives us. Buying a little bit of time helps me so I can get up , physically remove myself from my computers and go and breathe.it works a lot of the time but is still prone to failure. I need to work on my conditioned response and rework the reward mechanism so I substitute P/M/O with something else that brings pleasure and closes the loop. I'll use exercise. As for why now! Because I want to change, my father died suddenly a couple of months ago...it is time for me to move on and be a better version of me.

    WRT religion, my family are devout Catholics, my mother goes to church every day of the week. It brings her comfort, she always did go daily but it took on more resonance after my younger brother killed himself 15 years ago. Now both my brother and father are dead , religion is hugely important to my mum..it's her conduit. All religions are frameworks that help explain the world and inform people"s behaviour. I have no problems with individuals' belief systems, it's a matter of personal choice
     
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  6. Telomere

    Telomere Fapstronaut


    As animals we are driven to procreate, its one of the most basic drivers of behaviour. We also have compound brains from our evolutionary past. Part lizard, part chimp, part human .. in nature we would have had to fight to mate, females were scare and highly competed over. The abundance of P tricks our chimp into believing we have huge mating opportunities, it satisfies the same drivers
    The route to breaking the habit is to buy time for our higher human brain to control the lizard, negotiate with the chimp and rationalize that P is NOT mating, it's self destructive
     
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  7. synchros

    synchros Fapstronaut

    I agree.

    The thing with blockers - at least for me - is that it becomes (yet another) way to rationalize P.

    "Oh, I forgot this angle/device/whatever, well, I'll let this one slip and then make sure to block that"

    It's not rational, of course, but it's one way (among many) in which I've tricked myself. And let's be honest: there will always be a way to get to Internet P if you give in to an urge.

    That said, I know some people who have successfully quit using blockers, so whatever works for you is the right way. These boards are a great medium to share our experiences, but it comes down to evaluating what you read and picking up what you find useful.

    Good luck!
     
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  8. Telomere

    Telomere Fapstronaut

    Thanks for the encouragement and for reading my meanderings.

    I totally get that and have done similar in the past: almost as if I intentionally left that back-door so it is acceptable on some subliminal level. "I'll close if after I am done"...then repeat with the next chink in the flaky armor.

    Having built up layers of blockers, DNS locks, Safe Searches, plug-ins. blocked Apps and sites (my chimp worked out that by using VPNs I could bugger them all, so I blocked VPNs now too ) .
    I reckon it is now a bit like Gulliver and the Lilliputians, where he gets tied down by all those little threads: there are enough of these threads to make reversion really difficult (though not impossible) and the pause it takes for me to circumvent is long enough for me refresh myself and interrupt the urge. I am absolutely clear they don't work by themselves, no more than an alcoholic can stop drinking by not having any alcohol in his house when there are thousands of shops available: but on a similar principle, making it less available helps to buy some time to negotiate with the inner demon: recognize the trigger and try to rework the routine with a different reward.....

    it's still Day 1 so WTFDIK !!!
     
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