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"My partner deserves..."

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by BlackMarble, Mar 14, 2017.

  1. BlackMarble

    BlackMarble Fapstronaut

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    How many times I´ve read that we want to quit porn addiction because "my partner deserves"...How many arguments do we provide regarding sex, orgasms and other crazy imaginaries so concerned on"satisfying". Im sorry but if my partner doesnt agree to abstain a little bit in order to get better, if she or he makes a big hussle out of a no-sex request, if she or he do not agree we are dealing with a some how disabling situation then better to continue alone...better be ourselves that forcing us to be I-dont-know-which-model. It hurts, is not easy, but it worths it always

    Lets not forget that P affects our beliefs on both and all the sides of the coin, male roles, female roles, the value of life and the body, sexual discrimination and power. So lets get into these topics at once with our partners and lets see how do we feel....

    I dont know why it doesnt feel right, almost like an excuse, when we use "the other" to improve, I understand as a rewarding goal, but then the other is just a mean. how much is this feeling of external judgement involved in this addiction I ask then? How observed did I feel? How unfit or sexually unable? Lets kick this sh**¨** out of our minds and hearts!!!! I believe no SO deserve that, to be used in any way

    Did we talk about this recovery process with our partner we are on??? how much It took me to really face it? how much vanity, narcisism or indiference got in the way??? Why Im in a relationship we should ask, can we stand to be alone??? can we be fragile, vulnerable, unsecure with our partners?

    I believe some consequences of this are:

    - If I get single then I F*** relapse with a perfect excuse
    - Or even worse, "the relapse was caused by the rejection, the words of the other, her or his reaction, the conflict" and so on

    No man, lets do this in order to be truly ours, truly ourselves, then I can honestly feel the other and celebrate the ups and downs of a human relationship

    What about discovering hand by hand what I truly want, what truly I´m?? In order to discover who we are?

    blessings
     
  2. i_wanna_get_better1

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    I think I'm catching your meaning and I agree. Our recovery cannot be based on making our SO happy. Our recovery needs to be based on doing what is right. We need to take ownership of our recovery and accept whatever consequences that may entail. Therefore our failures are our fault but our success are our own too. If we reboot for the wrong reasons then we can blame someone or something else when we fail. That is immature and delusional thinking that we must get rid of. Man up everyone!

    A secondary or additional reason to get better can be to make our SO's happy and to make up for the crappy way we treated them. We need to take ownership of the pain we caused others and do what we can to rectify the situation. We cannot expect our SO's to just get over it. We injured them and we bear the responsibility to help them heal. It's nice when they offer us support, and we should be appreciative of whatever help we receive, but we should never lose track of our need to help others.

    If anyone wants to go Hard Mode and abstain from sex then they need to explain to their SO's all the reasons why. If any are reluctant to help out then I think it's because we didn't explain it properly. There might be a small percentage that don't want to abstain, but a majority of our SO's are awesome women who love us very much and want to help. It is our responsibility to be honest, truthful, and communicate clearly the reasons behind our requests for help. If we can't do that then we need to learn how. Decisions like these shouldn't be made unilaterally. Talk it out and explain the long term benefits.

    This addiction robbed us of who we once were. We need to reclaim our humanity and learn how to be a human being again. That journey is all about self-discovery. Socrates once said 'Know Thyself'. We need to dig deep and analyze what made porn so attractive to us and start to address those problems. That's HARD WORK and most men are not able to muster up the courage to change. Too many people try to do just barely enough when we should be trying to SHOCK and AWE this addiction into submission. Only when we are able to do this can we celebrate our achievements.
     
  3. BlackMarble

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    True about the addition man, I definetively damaged my previous relationships and now Im building a new one sharing this recovery and it has been amazing. Somehow to embrace our weakness make us stronger, but specially to embrace ourselves the way we are and with the story that made us
     
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  4. Curious - @BlackMarble - are you married? If so, how long?

    Agreed that it's the responsibility for any addict who wants to do the work to recover to make themselves better, healthy, and able to enjoy an authentic relationship going forward.

    I'm sorry if your partner isn't willing to support you or a "no sex" request. That's rough and most likely hurtful if you desire your partner's support in your recovery. Not sure if I am understanding your post? Partners do have the choice, though. They did not choose to be in a relationship with a sex addict. They have to right to choose what they want/need sexually, emotionally and spiritually.

    This is CRUCIAL if the addict wants to stay in the relationship or marriage. Ownership by the addict is crucial or the partner can't heal. Not taking ownership is abusive, IMHO. I am going through that with my husband right now. He doesn't seem to understand what I mean by ownership, and I may start another thread about ownership. @whyte

    If the addict just chooses "F her" and I'm all about myself, bye-bye, I could care less that I blew up your life, now I'm gonna work on this for myself only (I don't care about our relationship or marriage) and then find someone new... well... that's extremely selfish, and most likely those issues will resurface in another relationship.

    I'm not saying the original poster is saying any of this (above), but trying to make the point that if the addict is in a serious relationship or long-term marriage, the addict needs to address the pain of the partner. The majority of the work needs to be done by the addict so the addict can recover and have a more fulfilling life going forward for himself and hopefully with a partner if that's what the addict wants (a relationship).

    Doing the work solely for another person (the partner) isn't genuine. Maybe that's what the original post is about?

    @i_wanna_get_better1 said "...we should never lose track of our need to help others." YES. This is human. This is "the juice" - the good stuff in any relationship. It also feels good to help support others here and in real life (give/take).

    YES!

    *edited* b/c one of my sentences didn't make sense.
     
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  5. BlackMarble

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    Hey great reply, and yes the intension was to stress that doing the work solely for another person isn´t genuine and yes the partner must decide what he/she wants.

    It came up mainly from many posts that seem to me to be avoiding ownership through "others as a goal" in fact (I definetively not attacking any effort of working on our relationships or marriages). Im also concerned to see people here worried just to have better sex not better human contact.

    When we asume what is this about, this recovery (like many other addictions), facing how we use this "drug" to avoid true pain, sadness, guilt or whatever, then becomes not just a matter of rebooting (of course is an amazing starting strategy) but it is a commitment to transformation deeply and not only practically.

    For your curiosity (which would be good to clarify, otherwise might imply some judgements) I threw away a 8yr-living-together relationship on my addiction. Im in an amazing relationship at this point that supports me totally on this (transformation and recovery) and im deeply greatful for this, feeling so different and adding months to my recovery.
     
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  6. I'm so sorry you lost a long-term/8 year relationship due to this addiction.

    Avoiding ownership in a truly committed relationship isn't helpful. Sigh.

    The real "juice" is in human connection, but yes, I assume, addiction to better highs in sex is the goal for many who aren't awake yet.
     

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