Is this what men think?

Indeed. PA killed my current relationship and I'm not sure if we can bounce back. I'm always a willing participant. And I mean ALWAYS. I've never once turned down the opportunity. Ever. And to have PA reject me EVERY time makes it very hard for me not to stray.

 

@Jennica Yes! Men do get intimidated with an experienced woman. My husband (sorry Jak) didn't know how to have sex when we met because he was so inexperienced. I personally don't know how he felt, but I got to teach him a lot, and honestly, it was a sweet experience because that was building intimacy in some form. Men are quite sensitive when it comes to sex even though they put on a big game face. I sometimes think sex is more scary for men with the vulnerability involved (given most men repress their feelings and are not used to being vulnerable)

 

But that's just it. It's not the rule.

 

When my hubby and started dating we were very free and similar to you. It was amazing sharing those experiences with him, gifts as he called them but at first he was also a bit intimidated too. Intimidated is one thing, “threatened” is quite another in my mind if you know what I’m getting at.

 

@Jennica true intimidated and threatened are very different...

 

Now I'm only going to speak from my own personal experience here. I am 35 years old, and a virgin. If you laid a real-life naked woman in front of me, I would be extremely incompetent about what to do. I would appear to be "not very sexual", perhaps not as sexual as the naked woman in front of me. However, in spite of my lack of real-world sexual experience, and lack of competence, I actually have an insatiable sex drive, which is proven by 15+ years of daily porn use! Are you women so sure that asexual men are asexual because they have a low sex drive? Or could it be because they are satisfying their sex drive through alternative means (i.e. porn or another sexual outlet)? I'm a 35 year old virgin but I guarantee I have a higher sex drive than any of you! Not to mention all of the ways that men can and have sublimated their sex drives with large-scale creative endeavors, city-building, empire building, etc.

 

That is not a natural sex drive . That is one being fueled by porn use . Many men “ think” they have a high sex drive , remove porn for a year , the male sex drive levels off to a natural one . Fact . It happened here .

 

I don't know, I kind of get what you mean. I would agree that porn is not natural, it is artificial. But still the sex drive is still there, it is "latent", or always there waiting for something to draw it out, give expression to it. Be it porn, girlfriend, wife, prostitute, or like I said some sublimated, creative endeavor. I'm not sure if the male sex drive drops off after quitting porn. I think it just gets redirected toward other outlets, and again a lot of it might be sublimated. I hate to think of how much more successful I would be in life, if I hadn't wasted my sex drive on porn, instead my sex drive could have been sublimated in to things like career, education, family, real women, etc.

 

Do men comment about other men's look like women do

 

No! Not nearly to the same degree, why do you ask?

 

I know people who criticize other people's look as if they were the judges of nature's design.
Women tend to comment about everything they notice when they're in a group,the gossip is just unstoppable.
I was hurt the other day listening to a guy commenting about a girl look ,called her ugly and words of the same vocabulary

 

U r so right on that and I agree with you. Like u said, some modern feminists will try every means to go throat to throat against that. As I said earlier, there are exception but at some point we have to generalize to some degree for the sake of understanding. There are terms like majority and minority to use to generalize for a reason. At the end of the day, u can do whatever flows your boat.

 

Porn has nothing to do with sex. Period. It's nothing more than a dopamine fix. When you're spending hours a day using P to get off it's not because your sex drive is high. It's because your brain has been wired to need the dopamine you've been overloading it with to function "normally".
That's the entire point of reboot. To rewire your brain to a normal state.
Once you begin living day to day with normal and healthy levels you find that your "drive" isn't about sex at all. If it ever was P would have never been in the equation. You'd be posting on a forum for sex addiction instead.

 

Thanks, yes I think you are right. I’m not sure that my wife has been that open about it - it’s not something we’ve ever really spoken about. I remember being surprised when she was telling my sister about these celebrities she followed on FB, I had no idea. But I don’t think that’s because she was hiding it from me, I think it’s just indicative of the lack of deep communication in our marriage.

 

Lol I am a 3x per day girl and when I met my husband I was like finally a guy who can keep up and sometimes he couldn't but when he quit PMO.... I was so sad to realize his 3x per day or 2x per every other day dropped to 2x per week. That is his natural sex drive.

My husband thought he had a high drive he figured that's why he Med 3x per day but now realizes it wasnt his sex drive it was his sickness, his need to escape that was high.

 

My sex drive was very high as a teenager, until I started heavy porn usage. Now, during this reboot, my sex drive has returned. I feel like a teenager again. I just woke up with a morning... steel. This hasn't happened for a long long time. I'd say that porn kills the sex drive. All these years I wondered why it was so low.

 

Well this is because, whether we like it or not, looks do matter. Men are more visual and so are looking out for more physically attractive females. Because men are more visual, women try to focus more on being physically attractive

 

That's not true at all. While there is the dopamine fix, there is also the obviously visual component of porn, which again men are attracted to because they are far more turned on sexually by visual stimuli. Then there is the orgasm at the end of it, that is clearly a sexual response. Porn has everything to do with sex, it's just that porn hijacks the male sex drive. It tricks the man's brain in to thinking that you're having sex with all the porn actresses that you're fapping to, spreading your seed. Men and women view sex differently, and are turned on by different things. It's not helpful to men to try to fit men's sexuality in to a feminine box, or judge it according to feminine standards

 

So wait , we can generalize that all men are assholes too right ? I mean look how Many SO are on here

 

Exacfuckly! ugh