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Is intermittent porn use more damaging than daily use?

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by skaterdrew, Nov 18, 2020.

  1. skaterdrew

    skaterdrew Fapstronaut

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    I personally don't think it is more damaging. But I am now starting to believe that intermittent porn use is more exciting and thrilling than daily use.

    Let me just give another example with an alcoholic or a heavy drinker. I have experienced this many times before. So someone who has issues with alcohol, who is drinking every day or nearly everyday. But the thing is when you are drinking like this on a daily basis you aren't all that thrilled or excited by the alcohol. I guess you are doing it because the alcohol has more of a grip of you. But then if someone like this stops drinking alcohol completely for a few weeks, a month, a few months. What ends up happening is the thought of drinking becomes very exciting. Much more exciting than when you are drinking on a daily basis.

    But I mean are you really telling me that someone who is heavily drinking everyday that this is better than someone who doesn't drink alcohol at all, and then once every few weeks or months they drink and get a bit drunk?

    Are you really telling me its better to drink alcohol and get drunk nearly every day as apposed to drinking and getting drunk once every few weeks or months?

    I think it's obvious that it's going to be far more damaging to drink heavily every day or every other day as apposed to drinking every once in a while.

    So how is porn use any different? I believe chronically PMOing every day or every other day is clearly much worse than doing it every once in a while.

    Although like I mentioned from my own experience what I have realised is doing it every once in a while really seems to make it much more exciting to me. I actually get much more excited at the anticipation leading up to when I am going to get porn and artificial sexual stimulation. Usually after I have got it I get bored of it quite quickly.

    Basically because of the way I have restricted myself, getting rid or devices, and then having my laptop blocked up beyond belief, porn and artificial sexual stimulation is seriously forbidden fruit to me, that is locked away behind a gate that I can't get passed the majority of the time. But then from time to time I plan in advance about getting this porn and artificial sexual stimulation, needing to wait for a week until I can access it, and then when I can get it I only have it for 2-3 hours before it is completely blocked again.

    I do believe it is overall better that most days I am not on any porn or artificial sexual stimulation. Maybe between 1-2 days of the months for a few hours each time ending up on it. Then the rest of the month being completely clean from it.

    But I do admit the way I seem to be doing it does seem to make it much more exciting. It's quite sad but it's almost as if it gives me something to look forward to. But then the anticipation leading up to getting it is actually more exciting than when I actually do get it.
     
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  2. FoundTheFreedom

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    Skaterdrew that might work for you but not for me, at least not while I'm rebooting. I won't be able to retrain my brain into thinking properly about sex, as a whole, doing it your way. What happens to me is that when I will crave porn more often and totally relapse. Aside from all the criminal activity happening behind the scenes of porn, it is no substitute for sexual relations with a real woman. Also, watching porn even intermittently leads to thinking that sex looks exactly what you see in porn and it is not. In porn, it shows that sex is more for the man than the woman. When the man gets off, it's over. No, that's selfish. When I have sex, I want to start by giving the woman the most pleasure I'm capable of and then eventually getting her off, and after I've done that a few times, I can take my pleasure. There is nothing realistic in porn at all. As I said, behind the scenes of porn there is rape, kidnapping, human trafficking. If I watch porn, I let criminals believe the crimes they are doing is ok and that those who watch porn, don't care about the dangers for the women in porn. Nope, I'm forever and completely done with porn. No more ever. That's what i have decided for me/
     
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  3. modernstore99

    modernstore99 Fapstronaut

    I'll let the professionals explain it.

    Why is intermittent use (long abstinence with binges) an addiction risk?
     
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  4. OhWhenThe

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    You've been here for a while now @skaterdrew but it seems you still struggle to accept that other people have a different experience with quitting and therefore have differing views to you, either that or you're trying to convince yourself that occasional use is ok.

    For me PERSONALLY, I feel worse relapsing intermittently than if I were to do it every day/regularly. When I go on a streak and then relapse it's like my body gets thrown all out of loop, it's asking me "wtf, I thought we weren't doing this anymore". It hits me much harder than if I were to just fall back into the cycle of doing it all the time. Don't get me wrong, if I were to do it all the time I'd still feel shitty but my brain is getting what it wants and my body is in a rhythm. Imagine being in a boxing match, you've been hit 25 times already so by the time the 26th shot lands it's barely even going to register.

    If you feel better using intermittently then great, you do that, but just know that what works for you may not work for someone else and vice versa.
     
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  5. That dopamine rush will make you sick, i,think is so much better a Masturbation without orgasm But fap every 3-4 days can bring back on the daily routine fap if you don 't take care
     
  6. modernstore99

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  7. skaterdrew

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    Remember if you are not getting streaks that are consistently longer than a month before you end up back on porn then you are intermittently using porn also.

    Based on this research, scientists have concluded that everyday consumption of say cocaine, alcohol, cigarettes, or junk food is not necessary to generate addiction-related brain changes. Intermittent bingeing can do the same thing as continuous use, and in some cases do more.

    A couple of words in there. It CAN do the same thing as continuous use, and in SOME cases do more.

    It can do the same thing means it has the potential to do the same thing. It doesn't mean it always does the same thing. In some cases means it sometimes happens, not it always happens.

    It's not written it ALWAYS does the same thing as continuous use, and in MOST cases does more.

    This is also only covering addiction. There is other harms of alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, junk food, and heavy PMO use apart from addiction. The physical and mental health harms.

    I no longer get withdrawal symptoms. I went through severe withdrawal on and off that lasted easily over a year, probably longer, and sometimes it was severe. I was a very heavy chronic PMO user for nearly a decade. I'm talking having heavy multiple hour long edging and binging sessions on it, and this going on most days for about a decade, and even the days I wasn't binging on it I was still using it to some extent. I doubt there would of been much days over the course of a decade that I wasn't using it to some extent, and most of the time it was edging and binging.

    I can tell you from first hand experience what I feel worse with. Occasionally ending up on porn and artificial sexual stimulation now and again, so maybe on average once or twice a month vs chronically edging and binging on it near enough every single day for about a decade. Look there's no contest in the difference with how I feel now compared to how I used to feel. I used to have such bad mental health problems for so many years that I felt like I needed to check in to a mental ward, and I mainly put this down to the way I was chronically edging and binging on PMO for about a decade. It took me nearly two years to improve my mental health, and the only thing I really changed was my usage of PMO.

    I admit that I do feel like the porn and artificial sexual stimulation does somewhat have a hold of me, as I do want to go back to it from time to time. But basically no more binging, and feeling much better mentally. PIED has significantly improved to the point a lot of the time I question wither or not I even have PIED anymore.

    Also if what you believe is true, then this literally means any guy that has a slip and ends up back on porn and artificial sexual stimulation if they aren't getting streaks longer than a month is doing the same or more damage than someone who is continuously using it.

    I certainly don't believe that. The same way I don't believe someone who drinks a bottle of vodka once a month is doing the same or more damage than someone who drinks a bottle of vodka every day. Drinking a bottle of vodka every day is clearly doing much more damage. Smoking 40 cigarettes every day is doing much more damage than smoking a few cigarettes once a month. Eating junk food every day is doing much more damage than eating junk food once a month. PMOing every day is doing much more damage than PMOing once a month.
     
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  8. modernstore99

    modernstore99 Fapstronaut

    Is this really you talking or is your porn brain talking for you.

    Porn isn't like food, or water, or sleep. it's completely unnecessary to live.

    If you find that you're compulsively using porn, no matter the timeframe, then you are addicted! There's not really much to argue about. Unless you can just stop porn today and never use again, then you have an addiction.

    It's shameful or wrong to be addicted to porn. Everyone here is! It is shameful, deceitful, and wrong to say that you're not though, and try to get other addicts to agree with you.
     
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  9. skaterdrew

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    I didn't say that I wasn't addicted. I admit I still have issues with it, and I do struggle to stop it altogether.

    What I said was my behaviour on it is no where near as bad as what it used to be and I feel way better for this.

    In truth more guys probably use porn and artificial sexual stimulation to some extent these days compared to those who don't use it at all, who never use it. Believe it or not but there is some guys who use it now and again and it doesn't affect their life all that much, or even at all. They're still in a sexual relationship with a woman, they still have a job, they still engage in many other healthy activities. But very occasionally they end up on porn and artificial sexual stimulation.

    I don't really believe you can say you're an addict if you can't stop it forever. Is every single person in the world an addict who drinks alcohol? Some occasionally might have a few glasses of wine with their dinner and it's not so much a problem for them, it doesn't negatively affect their life. But imagine you said to them stop drinking forever, never put alcohol in your mouth again or you are clearly an addict. It's not actually true.

    The same goes for porn. Yes there is many addicts on porn, myself included probably. But there is many guys who's behaviour on it for the most part has not been addict behaviour. Some guys have mainly always used it in a way where they have ended up on it for 5-10 minutes now and again, and it hasn't affected their life negatively in anyway. You can't say to someone like that if you can't stop using it altogether forever then you're clearly an addict. The same way you can't say to someone who drinks moderately very occasionally if you can't stop drinking forever then you're clearly an addict.

    A lot of people use addictive substances occasionally who are not actually addicts.

    The way you speak is if anyone uses an addictive substance in anyway then they're an addict. It's not actually true.
     
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  10. JoeinUSA

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    Interesting premise, but somehow I think you're not going to get the ending you're hoping for. It's just another merry-go-round addict's distraction away from recovery. When does the time arrive, then, when one walks straightforward upon the real recovery path?

    Best wishes!

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  11. skaterdrew

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    The thing is anyone who doesn't get a streak longer than a month away from porn and artificial sexual stimulation is intermittently using porn. So I see you have 68 days clean and that is great, well done. But if any guy has a slip and uses porn for 5 minutes after say a 3 weeks streak for example, they have actually intermittently used porn.

    How many guys fall in to that category?
     
  12. You will have to believe that you must never view Porn again, and desire that more than anything. You must come to hate Porn with all your soul.
     
  13. JoeinUSA

    JoeinUSA Fapstronaut

    I put 1-21 days in my signature line as the "gravity well" because I think this is a period that most addicts can succeed to some degree without trying (somewhere between days 1 and 21), just out of pure tiredness and rest, even. It's still an addiction hole where addiction gravity holds one down. I think real recovery begins at day 22 onward, when one knows it's not just by chance but that some real strategies and tools for recovery we're using are actually working for real.

    Yes, as many days as one can put between the lapses is always a good thing. But PMO, as a planned activity, is all bound to collapse in an every-other-day or daily thing - with rebounds and chasers and quicksand effect. It won't have any beneficial effect at all.

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  14. skaterdrew

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    I agree I probably should stop occasionally planning to go on porn and artificial sexual stimulation. I think it's because after a few weeks or month of literally not seeing anything like that I get to a point I really want to see it. I somewhat forget how bad it is. But even recently when I have ended up on it it's not seemed as bad for some reason. It's not felt as damaging as it used to.

    It's also because of the way my blockers work. Planning it in advance is the only way I can ever get it.

    It probably is quite bad on my part. As when a lot of guys have a slip, they probably end up doing it in the moment, in a moment of weakness. Where as when I am doing it, I am literally planning to do it a week in advance, and letting it count down until I can get it.
     
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  15. OhWhenThe

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    Much of what you say here is true. There are millions of people around the world who enjoy the occasional drink, occasionally watching porn, occasionally doing drugs etc and wouldn't want to give them up, it doesn't mean that their use is compulsive or that it's even negatively impacting their lives. The key point you are missing here though is that this is from a non-addict's perspective. How many hardcore addicts do you know who have overcome their addiction and then gone on to reintroduce that addiction without it becoming compulsive again or negatively affecting them in the same way that it did previously?

    Of course intermittent use is far better from a non-addict's point of view as it's unlikely that intermittent use would trigger addiction in the first place. As an addict trying to overcome it though, intermittent use can be equally dangerous or even more so than regular use for the reasons outlined in the article posted above.
     
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  16. skaterdrew

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    I think what is happening with me is I am not using it compulsively anymore, or no where near as compulsively as I used to because of the system I have in place. Getting rid of devices and having many different configurations on my laptop. These days when I allow porn and artificial sexual stimulation I only allow it between 1-3 hours, and then I need to wait 7 days until I can get it, and then after these 1-3 hours it automatically blocks again. Then if I wanted it again I would need to wait another 7 days. But I usually go much longer than that. Usually between 2-4 weeks. Even when I get it for 1-3 hours I don't even binge on it anywhere near like the way I used to. I am usually done much quicker and I am not on it for the entire 1-3 hours. Like I said I don't enjoy it anywhere near as much as I used to.

    So actually when I am ending up on it these days I am using it much more moderately, and it is not resulting in me returning to my old edging and binging behaviour.

    But if I wasn't as restricted and didn't have this system in place then yes I do believe it would eventually result in me returning to my old very destructive behaviour.

    I suppose it's kind of similar to an alcoholic who is maybe living in some type of rehab facility, and once or twice a month a close relative is able to take them out, and once or twice a month this close relative allows them to drink maybe a 4 pack of beer, but that's it at most. I would say the system I have in place for porn and artificial sexual stimulation is somewhat similar to that. With that system the alcoholic is actually drinking very moderately now and again, and isn't returning to their old destructive binging behavior to the point it is destroying their life. With the system I have in place I am not returning to my old destructive edging and binging behaviour.

    I guess this is kind of what is happening..

    Overall still not the best system though because the alcoholic is still getting a taste of the alcohol from time to time, keeping the addiction alive, even though it isn't really negatively affecting them so much for the time being. Then with the system I have in place I am still getting a taste of the porn and artificial sexual stimulation from time to time, keeping the addiction alive, even though it isn't really negatively affecting me all that much for the time being.

    I guess I somewhat see it like that.

    But clearly the biggest risk for an addict trying to use moderately is the fact that they will likely end up returning to their old destructive binging behaviour. But as I said that is not what is happening with me.

    The only reason I really plan on returning to porn and artificial sexual stimulation for short periods of time now and again these days is because I don't really have much else going on in my life at the moment, and that is more due to the covid restrictions. There is literally hardly much to do day in day out. The weather is also terrible outside and everywhere is closed, and I am in somewhat of a lockdown. It's sad but allowing the porn for short periods of time now and again gives me something to look forward to.

    I would honestly say this is the main reason I am ending up on it these days. Because there is hardly anything else to do or to really look forward to.
     
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  17. What I', posting is just my thoughts, none of it is verified to be true. I guess, physically, daily porn usage is worse than intermittent porn usage because the more you fap, the more you damage yourself. But from the standpoint of one who intends to quit, I think, mentally, intermittent usage is worse. Like you said, watching porn after a few days of not watching is "thrilling" and that feeling can make it harder to quit. And if you were straining and trying your hardest not to watch porn on those days that you were abstaining, when you finally watch porn, you feel like you've been set free. Porn seems to be "precious" (subconsciously of course) and it may seem that continuing porn would seem more favorable. If you start seeing porn as a good thing, it's going to get a lot harder to quit. So, intermittent porn usage may damage you physically as much as daily usage but it will damage you more mentally. At least that's what I've experienced. Good luck.
     
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  18. Mistersofty

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    Personally, I think that it’s more about how long you spend in a pmo session and less about how often you use porn. In my case, it was really the edging that was most damaging.
     
  19. skaterdrew

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    That is basically never happening with me now. Those long edging and binging sessions.

    Lets face it what do we all think after we have relapsed once, after we have ejaculated? We realise how much of a mistake it was and think to ourselves I'm not doing that again. But the thing is later on we are hit with the chaer effect, which actually causes us to PMO more.

    What I have found recently is after one relapse after I have ejaculated my better thinking kicks in, and I block the porn and artificial sexual stimulation again, and then if I want to allow porn and artificial sexual stimulation again then I need to wait at least 7 days until I can get it again. But like I said I usually go much much longer than 7 days.

    So actually these days I am now in a situation I am pretty much never ending up in a PMO binge, and lets face it we all know that is the most damaging thing.
     
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  20. IR254

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    You mix up two different questions in your analogy here. The one thing might be better in terms of damage done to the brain/organs, but at the same time worse in terms of the addiction process. Intermittent use tends to speed the development of addiction related brain changes; that is especially well known for cocaine addictions. From personal experience I can say, that this is a thing for porn addiction as well. The intermittent use pattern made my cravings & all much worse with time, instead of better.


    If you plan for a week and then actually go through with it, it tells me you aren't serious enough with your recovery. One might have a bad day or two, but planning for a week and then really doing it? Nah, mate. That's on you. If you don't fix this half-assing, you won't be free from your addiction.

    And? Porn also doesn't ALWAYS lead to an addiction? What's your point.

    Again, see my first point. You mix up two things here. Also, you seem to think brain development is a One-or-Zero type thing...it's a process.

    Come on, mate. Are you really serious with this? Don't be so damn literal man. Isn't it obvious, that the intermittent use pattern is much more about Abstaining for a while -> Binge -> Abstaining for a while -> Binge...? A couple of minutes after a few weeks obviously isn't the same...

    You do realize, that 1-3 hours is A LOT, right? That's basically a binge right there...It might be less than you used to do, but it's still a binge.
     
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