If you slap yourself you're the one slapping and the one getting slapped. Therefore masturbation...

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  1. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber Fapstronaut

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    ...makes you both the man f-ing and the woman getting f-ed.

    People like to think masturbation is normal, when it's not and it strongly believe it destroys your sexual identity. When you masturbate you have to become both the man and the woman, you can't be just one entity. And you're also stroking a real dick (which would also strongly suggest that you're the woman). The only reason masturbation "works" is because your body/brain thinks it's actually having SEX.

    It's also interesting to watch how people defend masturbation and think jerking off is totally fine, but the same people would squirm at the thought of sucking their own dicks to completion, even if it's exactly the same thing as masturbation (none is normal, it's just a mental disorder).

    Yes, if you think jerking off to completion is "normal" (it's not), you have to suck your dick to completion if you want to be logically consistent.
     
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  2. Infrasapiens

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    This kind of posts make people feel like trash everytime they relapse. Masturbation is not a mental disorder nor a crime.
     
  3. ultrafabber

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    While it was not my intention to make anyone "feel like trash", there comes a point in which we need to face whatever the consequences of our actions are instead of running away from them and/or ignoring them.

    Masturbation is trash and it's not something one should be proud of or celebrate. It's definitely not a normal behavior, even though it exploded in the western world in terms of incidence and acceptance. More so, it has no real long term benefits, it's just a coping mechanism.

    However, my post was not even about that, but about the logical inconsistencies of people that defend masturbation as normal behavior while refusing to give themselves a blowjob to completion, even if both behaviors are exactly the same in terms of "self love" (not saying anyone should give himself a blowjob, that's really not ok).

    The bigger picture is that masturbation is not as benign as people like to think - for masturbation to work you have to become both the man and the woman.
     
  4. IGY

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    You are right. We have decided that we do not want to masturbate, so a thread like this is designed to make us feel even worse about ourselves when we relapse. When people beat themselves up about a slip or a set back can often find their willpower so drained they end up masturbating even more! This kind of attitude and approach is counterproductive tbh.
    I don't believe you. Seemingly, every thread you start has to do with describing masturbation in the most extreme way possible. Why are you obsessed with doing this? If this is how you feel, OK. But why demoralise everyone else about it?
     
  5. IGY

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    This is not true, at least not for homosexual men to give one example. When a homosexual man is masturbating he is both the man and the man - he is one entity. He is not the man and a woman. Your hypothesis is not consistent.
    You talk about consistent logic, yet fail to apply it. Not everyone engaging in mutual masturbation with a partner or sexual intercourse will also enact oral sex. So, there is no logic in saying that if you masturbate "you have to suck your dick to completion". During love-making, a partner may well suck the balls of the man. Does someone who masturbates have to do that also? How about erogenous zones? Does the masturbator have to suck his own nipples to be logically consistent? :eek:
    If I understand you correctly, your personal point of view is that masturbation and autofellatio are mental disorders. o_O The fact that you cannot quote from the ICD or DSM to support this assertion demonstrates that what you have said here is your personal opinion, nothing more. I'm sure we would all be obliged for you to keep it to yourself!
     
  6. ultrafabber

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    He is still two people. For straight guys it's even more damaging because they become something they don't want to become.

    Logical consistency implies that since a person believes that "self pleasure is normal, good etc", sucking own dick to completion is actually more pleasurable than masturbation, therefore he should be totally fine with doing that as well.

    Yes, nipple sucking or whatever is still part of logical consistency, so is stimulating your own nipples with your hands or whatever - not saying it's good or normal, it all just part of "self stimulation"

    So that's what i'm saying and there's nothing "offensive" about it - if one thinks "self-stimulation is normal because mastubation is normal", any act of self stimulation is, by consequence, normal.

    The DSM also states that believing you have a different gender is not a disorder but a dysphoria and it's treatable with hormones and "gender reassignment" surgery - basically cutting the genitals off/ cutting the breasts etc. ICD 11 which will be coming into effect later also follows DSM's route.

    DSM/ICD literally suggest that you can be "born in the wrong body" and that a man can become a woman and vice versa.

    At this point DSM/ICD are no longer related to anything scientific, it's just politics.
     
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  7. Infrasapiens

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    Yeah, well you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion man.
     

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