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I need some clarification on what it's really about... (Might be triggering, you have been warned!)

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by staub, Feb 13, 2017.

  1. staub

    staub Fapstronaut

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    So, this is most likely going to be a short post that in some time I will follow up on by my personal rebooting analysis / journal wrap up.

    I don't yet know how to simply phrase my question so I'll just write and try to make it clear this way.
    Just to say in advance, I', currently at day 50 into hardmode noPMO.
    Also single so the O ind noPMO is kinda involuntary as well. :p

    Most of us here have a problem with either porn, masturbation or erectile disfunction.
    Some of us may have come here because they were looking into other problems in their life and found someone saying that nofap might be the solution. At least this got me here. While here I discovered that I indeed had some problems with PMO so I decided to give it a try.
    I myself did have a problem with porn.
    I needed a new movie every evening, I always masturbated even to a point where I build a cushion to put a fleshlight into to simulate fucking.
    After realizing this, I completly cut myself of from porn, washed my FL and put it away in a box and deleted all my porn (I collected offline, never was into streams on youporn or stuff).

    What bothers me is the way some people here treat orgasms. Specifically, the total abstinence which in some cases seems to border into a fear against an orgasm.
    I personally believe, and still do after 50 days, that masturbation and, as a result, orgasm, are not bad. Even less so if you're in a relationship, maybe even on the contrary as sexual intimacy is a key part of human relationships (between two loving ones).

    Someone once said a One Night Stand is just a 2 person way of masturbating.
    Keeping this in mind, I', refering to two humans who comit into a relationship.

    I fully understand that in order to reboot, you have to shut everything of before. So, a prolonged time of abstinence is mandatory.
    I know fully well that porn is an industry. The actors have sex but it's little more than sports with bodyparts. Having sex with a partner is something different, or rather should be something different. Going at it like in these movies might be fun at times, but it's really not how sex between two loving humans is. Or, to put it simply, there's no intimacy in porn-sex.
    So, I'll leave it at: porn is almost always bad, no matter what.
    A friend of mine, whom I believe has a healthy relationship to sex, said that she enjoys videos of sensual massages with erotic in it more than porn and I can see why.

    I believe that after your reboot a healthy sexual relationship with your partner is extremly important. (There's varying degrees to how much is enough for each).
    So, what am I trying to say...-
    Sex isn't bad. Easy.
    But Masturbation doesn't have to be either. Having some sort of check on your masturbation is a good idea. Else it just turns into a monotone chore/task.
    (This is where my question lies by the by)
    But at the same time, this is where one is in danger of falling into old habbits.
    I just always catch myself thinking of these church guys preaching about sin and abstinence. If you masturbate daily, clearly something is wrong, but maybe you're just alone?

    I also believe that this whole nofap phenomenon (i.e. the problems that lead to the founding of this community) is almost always caused by porn being easily available at any time anywhere thanks to the internet. Before internet, there was maybe one magazin you had from someone, your father, older brother.
    Now in the age of technology, there's more women to look at then there have been at any other time in human history. The amount of female private parts I've seen and would be able to identify is most likely more than all of my ancestors combined.

    Got pretty long, huh. Whelp, maybe someone can shine some light or maybe this sparks some interessting oppinions.

    Thanks for reading. :)

    Edits: Error-Corrections unless otherwise noted.
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2017
  2. I agree in that I've always believed that masturbation in moderation is a healthy and natural sexual expression. I've never had moral, ethical or religious objections to it. The problem, like you stated, is that it can be a gateway to bad habits. It's easy to become addicted to it, which in turn can impact your sexual relationships with others. I don't believe it's a sin, or a sign of moral or personal degeneracy.

    I'm personally rebooting to kick my own masturbation addiction. I haven't learned how to do it in moderation, and it always leads to a binge with porn a short step away, so I'm trying to completely abstain until I reach a point where it doesn't control me anymore.

    I also agree on the proliferation of porn directly causing society's higher and higher numbers of addicts!
     
  3. JustinX

    JustinX Fapstronaut

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    Whoever said that never had one night stand in my opinion.
    Yes I might agree that with prostitute it might be similar as masturbation in form there is no connection but for one night stand you have to have some connection, strong attraction, strong tension between both of them. Because otherwise the one night stand dont happen.
    Basically if there is not created strong enough tension it never erupt into having sex. World is not like porn!!! No tension = no sex.
    And one night stand is not that you have 10 minute sex and than you go home. That is how with it is with prostitute.
    In one night stand you have lot of cuddling, kissing, spooning, communicating, joking before and after sex. In my opinion that more resemble relationship than masturbation.
     
  4. staub

    staub Fapstronaut

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    Interessting way of seeing it.
    To say in advance, I did not have a ons before, so I'm in the category that might say this. This also borders on one of the reasons that got me to nofap. Funny...:rolleyes:
    Honestly, I like your way of putting it.
     

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