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Does possessing occult objects in a box in your garage make you unable to quit addiction?

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  1. I've heard about spiritual oppression, demonization, and doorways. Does this count as a doorway? If so, why can't I quit my addiction if that doorway is not in my house, but in my garage, and I don't touch that box?
     
  2. Sean Edie

    Sean Edie Fapstronaut

    If you don't look in the box, why keep it anywhere? It won't be a switch off but if it's bothering you, just throw it out but the only thing that objects can do spiritually is what we give them so I wouldn't say that whatever you have in your garage has a direct affect on your addiction but if it worries you, it might be best to just get rid of it
     
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  3. Well I use the stuff in it from time to time and I'm conflicted on what I should do, considering I've quit religion altogether and am an atheist. It's impossible to have a rational conversation with anyone about Christianity. All it comes down to is dogma and shouting. If what the bible says is true then I'll never be able to quit my addiction. If it's not true then I'll never be able to know because the Christian god says "I am a jealous god. You shall have no other gods before me. Burn everything related to witchcraft and the occult as it's doorway for demons and you'll become demonized", his way or the highway, either do exactly what he says or you get possessed by demons and will burn in hell for all eternity, and even if you do what he says he can punish you anyway.
     
  4. Sean Edie

    Sean Edie Fapstronaut

    If you don't believe in it, why are you connecting it to your addiction? As I said, it's all about what you think it does. In the Acts, the apostles write a letter asking believers to abstain from food sacrificed to animals but when asked about it Paul clarifies what they meant.
    So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: we know that ‘An idol is nothing at all in the world’ and that ‘There is no God but one.’ For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘Lords’), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do. Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling-block to the weak.
    1 Corinthians 8:4‭-‬9
     
  5. I want to live my life without the influence of any religion but the spiritual power of these objects are undeniable. Even crystals are said to be alive and can store electricity by which spirits can manifest through gateways (chakras) in the body. When I want to be a Christian I am under attack by the devil for betraying him. This manifests itself in losing control of myself and being tempted by a harmful addiction other than PMO. When I'm into occult stuff then I can't control my addiction to PMO. At least I'm not engaging in the harmful addiction, but my free will to do what I want is very limited. Another problem is when I'm a Christian when things happen I have a strong sense of deja vu. Like when something bad happens I have deja vu, which means it was supposed to happen therefore I have no free will. Addiction to "lust" is said to be a spiritual problem, yet as you can see believing and not believing in either religion causes me problems. I'm in a catch-22.
     
  6. InappropriateUsername

    InappropriateUsername Fapstronaut

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    Stop placing responsibility for your addiction on external sources. YOU have to end it b/c YOU are the one experiencing it. Until you own it, you’ll never beat it.
     
  7. If it were that simple I wouldn't be looking for help from spiritual sources now would I?
     
  8. Sean Edie

    Sean Edie Fapstronaut

    If you think they're a bad influence on you, then throw them away. There was someone in another forum saying that they noticed they were more tempted when they played video games and there are people who give up smoking but go back to it when they drink. If you've created a habit of watching p when you use these cristals, stop using the cristals and you'll be no worse off if you don't have them and no better off if you do
     
  9. InappropriateUsername

    InappropriateUsername Fapstronaut

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    I didn’t say it was simple, but it is. Stop PMOing. However, it’s not easy by any stretch.

    certainly spiritual sources can aid, but you have to own that shit first.
     
  10. onceaking

    onceaking Fapstronaut

    If you think it does then it does, if you think it doesn't it doesn't.
     
  11. I had a dream today about my addiction today. Very, very triggering. Next thing I knew I was engaging in the addiction. Before I had my wits about me it was already over, my streak everything. I thought my dream would have no effect on me, but clearly I don't have free will otherwise I would have chosen not to dream about that.
     
  12. Sean Edie

    Sean Edie Fapstronaut

    Free will is a funny thing. The fact that there are such things as addictions does show that most of what we do is impulse but recovery programs like AA and psychology like CBT shows that we can choose to change our impulses to more positive things.
    You seem to have a very negative view of life so try seeing the good in things once and a while and if you develop a more positive outlook, it'll help you with your addiction
     
  13. I was raised by insane people with mental disorders so they gave me a "very negative view of life". If I was raised by normal people I wouldn't even be here on this site. So how do I change my dream impulses?
     
  14. Sean Edie

    Sean Edie Fapstronaut

    You might not be able to change your dreams but you can change the reaction to your dreams.
    You might benefit from counseling or cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT)
    If it's due to the way you were raised, you can still get through it but I was raised in quite a normal family and I still ended up with a porn addiction and perverted fantasies so I wouldn't bank on not being addicted just because you were raised wrong
     

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