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Day 26 - need advice, first time poster

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Trips, Sep 3, 2017.

  1. Got to Overcome

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    I absolutely see where you're coming from. My point is that those of us who have struggled for years with PMO have seen hundreds or even thousands of hours of video, thousands upon thousands of images. Therefore, when we masturbate, what are we likely to think about? Rather than previous sexual experiences or pure imagination, we're likely to replay in our minds the videos and pictures we've seen. So for us, there's no significant difference between masturbation only and masturbation to porn. It's for that reason I'd recommend complete avoidance of masturbation, but as mentioned, I know how difficult it can be and therefore would suggest that if you absolutely must, try to avoid recalling any of the videos and pictures you've seen.

    But of course, that's all my opinion. As you can see by counter, I'm nowhere close to having this problem solved. As mentioned, I think it would be advisable to search around the site to see what others think and see how they've dealt with the issue.

    Also, this is a bit off-topic, but I've had greater success with tracking rather than counters. What I find it useful is to track PMO use over ninety day periods. So basically, just start a spreadsheet or whatever and track the total number of times you intentionally view porn or masturbate during that period. Then do another ninety days, and do your best to reduce your numbers. I find this approach helpful, as it minimizes post-relapse depression and any ability to fall into porn binges before attempting to begin a new streak.

    Again though, it seems like you're doing better already, and I hope it continues to go well.
     
  2. Trips

    Trips Fapstronaut

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    IDK about the art career after what you write. You're now starting to reap some rewards that were 7 years in the making. I know it takes a lot of time to get better at anything. A lot of effort and time. I think 5-10 years is minimal for getting really good at something, depending on the talent. I don't particularly like my job, but I have gotten good at it, because despite my addiction, I worked pretty hard. I wasn't easy on myself, took anything they threw at me, etc.

    So if I started with the art stuff now, it'd take minimum 5 years before I get to see any results at all. By that time, I will be 37, which is a time when I'd like to be financially secure and set, not in a position where I don't even know if my lucky break will come or not.

    I think maybe if I find a way to do it along my regular job, I'll give it a shot, but I'm not going to risk it all at this age. Too bad I didn't get clean at 24-25. I knew I had the problem even then, but I just never could get it under control.

    And you don't sound like a self-obsessed asshole. At all. You're trying to pursue your passion seemingly. You started fairly early from my POV, so if you're good, you have a legit shot at turning this into your livelihood. And if not, well, at least you can rest easy you gave it a shot. Otherwise it'd haunt you for the rest of your life.

    And yeah, I don't discredit the 7 years in the law office. At all. It was very educational. I was kind of a daydreamer and stumbled into this career just by lack of direction and motivation. I barely got through college. I am absolutely not the person who would enjoy reading contracts, legal acts, etc. I always found the profession to be too structured, unimaginative, rigid, cold, pragmatic. Very firm boundaries. Boring. And it is like that in a lot of ways, but I found that to be a plus for me, or I convinced myself of it. My thinking was that an impractical daydreamer like me who sleepwalked through entire college in a haze of alcohol, marijuana and porn addiction, could use a little reality check. And this job provided that in spades. You easily see what you can do and can't do within the system we live in, you understand the structures, the boundaries, the ins and outs. You either prepare for the worst when making contracts, or you deal with the worst during court proceedings. It might be a little disheartening and boring, but no matter how wild our dreams are, the world is still limited in a certain way, law is exhibit A of that. And you meet and represent a lot of entrepreneurs, businessman, bankers, etc. Top people in their field and they are VERY different from people who are more, let's say, emotionally, or artistically inclined. Much different from me. A lot of tough, pragmatic alpha males. And it's absolutely good to know they're out there and understand how they operate, think, etc. It's a tough and very pragmatic, unemotional racket, but I actually grew to enjoy this aspect of the job. I enjoy that I'm dealing with something I feel is more adult, masculine, practical. I feel like it's less childish and vain than for example creating music, painting, acting, etc. You also get deeper knowledge in many various fields, because you represent people from all lines of work and business.

    So maybe my dream of being an artist at this point is really a childhood dream that can be left behind and I can be perfectly comfortable with my job as it is. It's not bad.

    so who knows what'll happen...anyway, good luck with your paintings. hope you reach the success you've been working on. ;-)
     
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  3. Trips

    Trips Fapstronaut

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    My goal is zero porn and zero masturbation now. Not going to keep track, because if I view porn just once, I'm back to square one in my head.

    Another poster here also advised me not to masturbate even occasionally, to try and do 3 month abstaining runs. I wanted to do once per month, but after what he and you wrote, I'm going with the 3 months. Not even going to analyze it further.

    I absolutely agree that P an M are connected for people like me, for addicts. Maybe it's not the best analogy, but it's like beer and vodka. For a recovering alcoholic who used to drink a bottle of vodka every evening, a beer is not the same as it is for other people. Beer is still very dangerous ground. So I approach it with this sentiment.

    Thanks for writing, it helps people are actually taking their time to write something positive to me. Very cool of you and everyone else.
     
  4. Got to Overcome

    Got to Overcome Fapstronaut

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    No problem at all. I'm happy to help, and in fact view it as an important part of recovery. When it comes down to it, there are few acts as selfish as PMO. Therefore, I think it's important to become as other-centered as possible. The less I think about my own desires and the more I think of ways to help others, the better I believe recovery will go.

    I definitely see where you're coming from with the alcohol analogy. I personally had to completely quit drinking and smoking marijuana. I just could not drink or smoke in moderation. It's the same thing with PMO. Some people might be able to handle moderate amounts, but I'm not one of them. It's that all or nothing mentality, I suppose.

    Anyhow, it sounds like you've got the right idea. I recently read an article by someone about the importance of developing a mentality where PMO simply is not an option. It can't be approached in the way that PMO won't be an option so long as I don't lose my job, or so long as I don't get rejected for dates by women, or so long as I don't get injured, or whatever. One must view PMO as something which is totally of the past and is no longer an option, no matter the circumstances.

    It does sound like you're getting there, so that's great. I hope it keeps going well!
     
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