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Chart of the streaks of over 9k people

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by ultrafabber, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. ultrafabber

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    I gathered the data from a popular nofap app and turned it into a graph. I found the results very interesting and this confirms that the 1st week is the hardest by far and if you get past the 2nd week it gets much, much easier.

    edit: Some clarification on data and procedure and a long term graph

    I had data for up to 700 days but it would've made the graph unreadable for the part it was most relevant. This is how it would look like https://imgur.com/rm77wwm You can see that there is very little data on 90+ days which suggests the users are active. Should that not be the case, we'd see inflated results over 90 days.

    edit2: I initially said that each entry stays in the data set forever but the app creator said it doesnt. Entries are removed from the pool if the app is uninstalled OR if they don't log back in "a couple of days". This is very important information and i will try to ask again for clarification.. so we know if we're talking "days" or "weeks" at least. This explains why there are so few people on longer intervals - they just log back rarely. So probably more are successful and it's not that depressing.

    The fact that inactive users are removed has upsides and downsides, it doesn't inflate success rates but at the cost of inflating failure. But it's good to be pessimistic because as you said, addicts are not good at reliability.
     
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  2. OrangeJuice13

    OrangeJuice13 Fapstronaut

    Wow, this is extremely insightful. Thanks for sharing this!
     
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  3. I agree, the more days you have the easier it is. Maybe because you've already healed more, so you don't have that strong urges. Maybe because you have motivation to not to destroy this streak. Or perhaps you become stronger, and the same urges don't get you off balance. Maybe only some people get to these days, and maybe these people are stronger than the relapsing ones. Or simply they have more confidence. It's some combination of these in my opinion.

    I can see that the 90 day mark has many relapses, which is also very logical. Many people do it for just these days, the challenge, but I don't thing that there are many that survive with this mentality. I think it's more likely that people just lose motivation, they aren't improving, so they think that it doesn't matter if they M or not. It's a huge trap as we all can see in the graph. I've fallen to such one in the past, but I'm wiser now.

    It's cool what you did, I appreciate it :D
     
  4. Toomuchh

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    Lol how did you conclude the 1st week is the hardest by far and if you get past the 2nd week it gets much, much easier.

    All that data shows is that 90% of people using the app are stuck on the first two weeks.

    Rather the data suggests that less than 10% of people stay committed to NoFap to get past 14 days. It's easy to do the first two weeks that's why so many people are there, it's after 14 days it gets harder thats why so many people fail.
     
  5. Itsmeagain

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    I believe that posting on this forum, just for the aspect of sharing with all of you helps me already quite a bit. I completed a 90 days (as far as I remember) in 2016 and I managed not to fall too quick and too early. I failed BADLY this Xmas season, due to extra time availability, alcohol (beer/whiskey)...
     
  6. Coolyorky

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    Thank you for this mate. I bet if benefits were recorded that graph would correlate perfectly with this one!
     
  7. hollyman

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    Still there are people who failed, even tho they pass the first or second week

    It is a warning that even tho the demon weaken but its always there lurking


    If you weak then he will strike again
     
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  8. ultrafabber

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    Because that's what the graph means. Each user is placed in a certain interval and then moved to another if he goes x days without PMO or moved back to 0 if he relapses. If some intervals wouldn't have been as difficult as others we would just see a downward slope or downward slight curve from day 1 to day 90. There are 8300 people in the 1-14 days interval and 9500 people in total (up to 90 days). That's 87% people trying to get over the 14 days mark and failing again and again.

    Please don't lol if you don't understand the data.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2019
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  9. ultrafabber

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    It may look like that but actually 8300/9500 people are stuck in the first 14 days. That's 87%. Then from day 14 to 90 there's only 1200 people or 13%. It's a very encouraging fact to know that if you manage to go 14 days, then it gets much easier.

    Yes, it may be lurking but it's much weaker.
     
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  10. Itsmeagain

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    Yes. Even worse if one has other addictions such as drugs and / or drugs dependency (or fairly regular recreational user). Because if you make an excess in other "activities", well its easy to take the "oh whatever" approach. Also, with at least alcohol (I'm sure some drugs are the same), because it reduces inhibitions, well the brain give the proverbial boot to the "shoulder angel" and then the "shoulder devil" is free to act when your guard is down.

    I'm not saying everybody is like that (some drink but don't PMO). But, MO/PMO addictions, at least nowadays, develop at an early age (teens). so technically, you start fapping before you start drinking (if you do). So, there is possibly chances (Im not pretending to know the answer) that if you become addicted to MO/PMO in your teens, and also teens have their first contacts with drugs/alcohol, they may develop multiple addictive early in life.

    For the record: I struggled before to regular my alcohol consumption. Its a concern, just like controlling/stopping PMO. Also, my binges, especially the one that brought me back here a few days ago, what coinciding with holidays (extra time and nbo need to wake up early). Then the wife goes to bed before me usually. so extra privacy, the beer is flowing, guard goes down. Im a PC gamer, and once the lights go off and I'm by myself, the games used to be shutdown and PMO took over.

    People with one addiction are maybe more prone to develop another+.
    I'd be curious to create a topic about "are you a multi-addict" or something. Some people have addictive personality.
    Cause if you already have other demons that you are fighting, anxiety level may be generated by multiple sources on top of regular stress (work, finance, family, illness, mortality in the family, bankruptcy, etc)
     
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  11. Not a statistician, but I don't believe the graph would conclude that unless you only included data from users who have had accounts for 90+ days. The data is biased towards the first week otherwise if you have accounts that have only been active for 7 days or fewer. Research has shown that there are spikes in the difficulty to maintain abstinence, there's one at 2 weeks, there's another a couple of months in, etc.

    Peace
    -Quinn
     
  12. ultrafabber

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    The app does not take activity into consideration, just date of entry (start date). Your concern would be valid if it worked that way but it doesn't.

    I had data for up to 700 days but it would've made the graph unreadable for the part it was most relevant. This is how it would look like https://imgur.com/rm77wwm You can see that there is very little data on 90+ days which suggests the users are active. Should that not be the case, we'd see inflated results over 90 days.

    This is the raw data

    Nofap days People

    1 1602

    2 1233

    3 1975

    5 1362

    7 970

    10 429

    12 374

    15 223

    18 162

    21 174

    25 157

    30 161

    35 101

    40 68

    45 136

    55 51

    60 143

    75 55

    85 33

    90 105

    120 72

    150 49

    180 16

    195 11

    210 15

    235 9

    250 11

    275 5

    300 7

    325 8

    350 3

    365 10

    400 7

    450 7

    500 3

    550 3

    650 2

    700 0
     
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  13. Toomuchh

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    You're right, I misread what you said wrong and that's my bad sorry.

    I don't agree that it means the first week is the hardest, but rather getting the past the first week is the hardest and you are right that after getting past week 2 the difference is the same. I don't think it means easier since the data is pretty level, but rather once you reach that 2 week threshold you will be well equipped to reach 90 days.
     
  14. hollyman

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    i think u should.make that "multiple addiction" topic cause i think thats so importannt and many ppl un aware of this

    I was addicted by alcohol and smoking but its gone

    And now im still fighting for some addiction (beside porn) and not doin so well with this addiction

    Im addict to sugar, games and mobile phone... And yes anxiety or the stress level are high and im still affraid of porn will strike if i pick another fight with thoose three


    So from now i surrender to mobile phone and games addiction,,, im just fighting sugar first by less consumpt it
     
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  15. hollyman

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    i was relapse at day 60, day 80 day 90++(two times), yes it will be easier after couple days, but no matter what day streaks you are the demon is there waiting and lurking


    Since so many "triggers" in today world, like woman wearing less material on public, picture in advertise, pron scene came out of nowhere when watchin movie at cinema, high prostitution,so many fuckin celebrity scandal.


    The demon can strike you,,, if your weak
     
  16. Newlife33

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    Days 3, 7 and 10 have always been hellacious for me. Day three is just like a slight urge. Day 7 is like a punch in the face. Day 10 is a hurricane. When I get past those though it gets pretty easy
     
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  17. Thank you for taking the time to do this. I find the results fascinating and very insightful. I’m on day 31 right now so I’ve made it over the statistically toughest time period (not that I don’t still have to be constantly vigilant). It would be interesting to see a chart that showed number of years of porn exposure vs how long it takes to recover. Or how many people actually stick with this site over a period of 90 days. Thanks again.
     
  18. Itsmeagain

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    Jefe,

    I started my first reboot on NoFap in Jan 2016. I did a 180 days reboot, my old nickname is ikindaknew; I asked the forum admin for password reset, but as I wasnt willing to wait and needing to post on here again, I created another profile.

    https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/ikindaknews-progress-log.57288/page-10#post-547792

    Anyway, to make a long story short, once I was clean, no more PIED, etc, I thought all was well. Then I slowly watched a little P during a business trip once in a while. I watched a little P, just for shit and giggles here and there. Then I started to wish to be off work early so I could be at home by myslef before the wife comes back from work, to watch a little P. Then the occasional PMO....
    It was a very long and slow, progressive fall down the SAME RABBIT HOLE.
    This is why I'm back here after all......
     
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  19. Thanks for sharing that @Itsmeagain . I, too, let it back into my life very gradually. It sneaks back in if you let your guard down at all. My plan is to be on this site for the rest of my life. I’m going to fight this and help others fight it so from now on it will never come back into my life!
     
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  20. A Batman

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    It is great that you also returned. I feel it would be better to keep the journal updated even when one reaches reboot state.BTW I also didn't use this site previous year from January to July.
     

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