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Being Asain, dating, and the typical stereotype

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Namekian23, Jan 22, 2017.

  1. Namekian23

    Namekian23 Fapstronaut

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    I've heard these stereotypes and have encountered these stigmas one too many times. For this particular thread, I want to let you all know that I'm an Asian American and has lived in the US for 22 years. Growing up, I've made friends with all races (white, black, Hispanic, etc.) However, when it came to dating, it was difficult for me and my Asian friends. Some of the problems stem from living in an area where a majority of the population was white, or it was conflicts regarding cultural values, or maybe, it was simply us not being confident with ourselves.

    In my case, my family was very traditional, and for me, it would have been awkward for me to date someone outside my own race. Not to mention I was the oldest son in the family. On the other hand, I've been doing a lot of research on the dating scene regarding Asian men and interracial dating. One issue that’s involved is the old stereotype that depicts male Asians as nerdy, boring, and studious to the point of having no social life, and so on. And when it came to dating, they were considered unfavorable by most women of the American society. This has been going on for decades in social media, movies and so on.

    I really don’t have anything against the people who portray Asian men like this. If they want to do this, that's fine. But it's not fair for other Asian men, especially those who are growing up at a small age, to realize that dating women outside their race is possible. I feel it’s because of these stereotypes alone. Not to mention, it’s very discouraging to these young boys knowing what they're seeing on TV or social media is actually a reality. In fact, the ratio of an Asian woman being in a relationship with a white male outnumbers an Asian man with a white woman 4 to 1. Also 40% of Asian women will end up dating a non-Asian man in the US. As you can see, this can be frustrating. It certainly was for me.

    But slowly, people are recognizing these false statements of Asian men and everything that's associated with the typical Asian male "stereotype." Even though I'm 28, I'm still having trouble accepting this fact. In terms of dating, I've tried to go beyond the boundaries, but hesitate at the thought of my family traditions. Yet there are so many conflicts that Asian men must face when it comes to interracial dating. I just hope the younger generations have more freedom than I did, and maybe in the future, these stereotypes will gradually disappear.

    I believe we're all capable of dating anyone we want as long as we're confident in ourselves. I've learned this fact the hard way, and it took a lot of hard work to be comfortable around women of different races. I'm not the greatest when it comes to women, but I've definitely approved over the years. I don't let these stereotypes bother me anymore. And I'm hoping that people from all races respect one another when it comes to dating.
     
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  2. Pogi Points

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    Yes, I have been clamoring about this over a decade ago when, trust me, it was much worse. Now, thanks to social media and more progressive liberal attitudes around western society I don't think it's as difficult and the nerdy Asian boy stereotype is slowly dying out.

    But I can see your troubles because (imo) America is still a pretty racist nation. Sure you have open-minded people in big cities like NYC, Seattle, and LA but for the most part especially in smaller cities or rural areas, Americans tend to still be racist. I think this last election exposed this fact lol.

    I haven't researched this dating disparity as much but as a Filipino I know most Filipinas living the US prefer dating a white guy or a non-Filipino/Asian guy. But living in Canada it's much better. I've dated my fair share of ethnicities. People here don't really care as much and IR couples are pretty common.

    The only advice I can give you is to be confident and not believe that you are less of a man because you're Asian and western society hasn't been nice to you in the dating game. Consider black guys: a lot of women are still racist to them but that doesn't stop them from dating anyone they like. What's funny is I read a stat where white women mostly preferred white men yet you see black men with white women all the time. Your persistence and personality should overcome your ethnicity. Just don't give up. And be used to rejection. Don't take it personally. Just pick yourself up and keep trying.
     
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  3. Fork2323

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    Im mixed race white/latino and I love asian women, and lots of white guys, once the have been with an asian girl are hooked. I asked asain men how to date asian women and they said, Be White! Lol! I feel a lot over look me as my skin is olive/tan color and not white. I also ware glasses now and that kills my mojo too...
    Whats funny, is at one poinf i shaved my head, then i met a bunch of asian girls into the bad boy thug type.. go figure..I live in Los Angeles and there is a lot of gang culture and the idea of asain man as a nerd bookworm is not here. They are seen as affluent and money makers or thugs.. but asian women still want white guys.. i think the Kardasians made it cool for white girls to date black guys too.
     
  4. Pogi Points

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    White girls going out with black guys was already cool before the Kardashians lol
     
  5. Namekian23

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    Yes, I agree with racism which is a huge problem. There are also many other factors when it comes interracial dating, and in my case, it was really complicated because of my background. That's why I hope other guys who are not like me will enjoy the privilege of interracial dating. However, there are obstacles that the couple must face such as meeting each other's parents, discrimination from outsiders, and so on.

    As far as Asian women go, it's something that I must accept. They call it "yellow fever", and for some strange reason, most women from Asia really do prefer white men. There is a history to it though which involves wars from Asian countries, the history of American soldiers bringing Asian women to the US, and so on. It has to do with physical features as Asian women prefer men who are bigger, stronger, and more masculine which is the typical white man. Nowadays, more Asian women are attracted to white men than ever before and vice versa.

    Honestly, it's extremely frustrating that this is becoming a reality. But am I ashamed of being an Asian man living in an era where dating is so biased when it comes to ethnicity? Not really. At the same time, we must follow the cultural standards of our parents, and because of that, it's hard for Asian men like myself to accept this fact. I guess that's something I must accept, but like I said, I hope there are more fortunate ones than me.
     
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  6. Namekian23

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    For me, it's the total opposite lol. Even though I do prefer Asian women and sometimes white women, I've thought of dating Latina and Hispanic females. For some reason, I find them irresistible. And it's actually true that when it comes to preferences, Asian men tend to like Hispanic/Latina women. Weird huh?

    In fact, I had a huge crush once on this girl years ago who was half Dominican and half Puerto Rican. She had a nice curvaceous body, beautiful light skin, light brown hair, and bright hazel eyes. Also, my high school crush was actually a Latina chick. Sorry for going off topic, but I can't get enough of them.

    And yes, I agree, it really depends on where you are. I can't imagine seeing too many Asian bookworms in the slums of Los Angeles any time soon. For me, I live in New England, where the Asian population is very small, and most of the people there are middle and upper class. Therefore, you don't see too many Asian thugs running around. Out of all the years I've learned in this area, I rarely see an Asian dude in the front news committing a crime. It would just be weird because in most cases, they were well educated and better off.
     
  7. Pogi Points

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    That's the main reason why Asian women go for the white boys and Asian guys like yourself strike out of the dating game. Screw the Asian culture and tradition. Honestly, don't follow it. Do not be bound by it. Be yourself. Be an individual. Don't be an "Asian guy". Just be a "guy".

    The reason why a lot of Filipino men, imo, the most successful at IR dating are successful is because they are adaptable to western culture moreso than other Asian men who as you said, feel the need to follow cultural standards. Ugh. I think we found your problem right there. Asian culture is sexist, stuck-up, and close-minded. Minimize it at whatever cost.
     
  8. I don't want to sound confronting but this is a horrible way to look at things. Just because your culture doesn't appeal to western standards, doesn't mean you should minimize it or forget about it. Do not take this advice, be proud of who you are regardless of your cultural background or heritage.

    On a side note OP, you ever thought that maybe women are not attracted to you because of your behaviors and attitudes rather than just your race? I'm an indian (asian-brown guy) and I've never really had problems with the opposite gender. My journals state that I am a virgin and have no relationship experience but that is most likely due to my past abuse by my family and PMO habits. I've had numerous opportunities and I did have a relationship with a beautiful jewish girl (who would never look for someone outside her community). In all honesty, it's just an excuse, don't buy into this because it is demoralizing. Go out there are prove yourself, don't try to disprove yourself.
     
  9. Pogi Points

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    Of course you'll advice to stick to the culture. Indians are some of the most hardcore traditionalists around. What I'm telling him to get rid of is this compulsion to live by his culture because he is Asian. You are an individual before you are your ethnicity. He is Namekian23 more than he is "an Asian guy".

    I probably sound too harsh on Asian culture but honestly plenty of aspects of it need to change. We don't live in the 1950s anymore where it's alright to want women to be submissive housewives who will be ever-faithful to you, raise your kids while you go out and make the money.

    If you watch Joy Luck Club or other similar media you'll understand how negatively Asian women view their own culture. There is something inherently wrong with the culture when your own women are abandoning the men at record rate. Seriously, Asian women are the only women who prefer to date men outside their own race. If that isn't a red flag, I don't know what is.
     
  10. I did not tell him to stick to his culture, I told him to not let it define himself nor it be something he should be ashamed of.

    Yes I agree with the next statement, I just feel like you worded it poorly.

    I really don't think this has anything to do with culture. You and OP seem to be blaming culture as the reason for not being able to date when it is in reality more likely to do with the kind of person you specifically are. It shocks me how much people think things like height, race, wealth, and looks has anything to do with relationships and dating. These are just superficial statements that you tell yourself to avoid uncomfortable confrontation. I hope you can read your own posts and see how biased it is.
     
  11. Username1021

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    Sorry for being somewhat off topic, but I just want to say that I wish I could actually talk about dating people. For most of my life, social anxiety has dominated it so much that I would have massive difficulties buying something at a fast food store, let alone going on a date.
    On topic - I live in Hong Kong, and the school I go to generally has people of the same race dating each other, although this may just be due to age. I myself do fulfill the Asian stereotype you described very well (too well for my comfort lol), and tend to place more importance on grades over people (probably due to an inability to connect with others). Curious how this will affect my dating life in the future.
     
  12. SupBruh

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    Yes, and no.

    The reason Asian guys (Oriental, Indian etc.) have trouble with dating women in the West is because they are just not deemed handsome. The girls aren't racist; they're just attracted to certain features more prominent in other races. I, too, find white women more attractive - it doesn't mean I dislike other ethnicities.

    Racism may be an issue here, but for the most part it's just biology doing its thing.
     
  13. Namekian23

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    Yeah, I do get your point, but hear me out for a minute. First of all, I don't believe that women aren't attracted to me because of my behaviors and attitudes. Why? Because this is something that I keep to myself which is more of an judgement than anything else. My behaviors and attitudes towards women are actually the opposite. I, too, had family abuse and suffered at the hands of porn addiction as well. As for females, however, ever since the day I joined Nofap, my ability to communicate with women has improved. I have female friends including their numbers, and my first kiss was with a white girl. All of this was through hard work and a commitment to self improvement, so be careful before you judge people.

    Having said that, maybe I wasn't very clear on my thread and I seemed to go all over place, so I do apologize. But since it's mostly me you're referring to, we'll focus on that. Imagine being the oldest son, and imagine having parents that are not only elderly, but highly religious and focused on cultural values. Finally, imagine your dad as a Buddhist monk. I mean, my younger brothers all had girlfriends before I did. So as you can see, it's not that easy for me. Sure, I can talk to women, but when it comes to dating, I feel uneasy. If I wasn't so heavily influenced by my parents and my culture, then fuck yeah, I would date anyone regardless of race. I would date a Latina for all I know.

    But yeah, sorry for going off, but please try to understand what people are doing through. I guarantee you that if you were in my shoes, you'd be feeling the same way. Sometimes I just wished that I didn't have to live this way. Don't you get it? I can literally date whoever I want to if I wasn't so obligated to my parents expectations. I just don't want my dad to disapprove of me. And this is why I've developed this way; and it makes me so frustrated. Anyway, enough of my crap, you get the point. And sorry if I was going off.
     
  14. Namekian23

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    Find a balance my friend. When I was in college, the first few years was all study, study, study. Not to mention I was a pretty shy guy who had no experience in talking to females. Sure, my grades were good, but I realized how much I was missing. You don't have to walk up to females and talk with them straight away, but rather, work your way up to it. For me, I joined a club, because I knew that it had people. Ironically, it was called the multicultural club where students of all races are welcome.

    Believe me, I was in the same position as you were. But it's never too late to change who you are. If you worked just as hard as I did, I will guarantee you that you'll more proud of yourself. The key to my success was trying new things no matter how small or big. It could be something simple as joining a club or trying something to get out of your comfort zone. I even did public speaking in front 300 people! So there you go, plus I was shy.

    I know that this may overwhelm you, but you can and will do it. It just takes time, and if I knew that grades AND doing other things were equally important, I would have had a great college experience. In the end, it's not just your academic skills, but your ability to connect with people which is critical for life opportunities (and future dates and relationships with women) So, take my advice, and start changing yourself today. It will take time, but you'll get there sooner or later. Hopefully this helps.
     
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    Ah yes, the old biology thing. This is something that will never change. If you read my later posts, you would understand just as much as DonDraper will. Besides biology, it's social media, culture, interpersonal conflicts, and so on that's the issue. The more conflicts you have, the larger the problem such as in my case. However, if you ever see those Asian drama shows, there are in fact, a lot of handsome Asian men and beautiful Asian women.

    Biology does prove a point, but that doesn't mean that it plays a huge role in defining which race is better looking. You'd be surprised if you ever went to a few Asian countries. Having said that, when it comes to living in an American society, Asian men do have a disadvantage. But the way I look at it is this: The whole stereotype is changing, and it's because Asian men are not tolerating it any longer. Dude, I have a Asian friend who got hooked up with this beautiful white chick, so it shows that Asian guys just need to be more aggressive and break through the typical stereotype.

    In my own experience with women, it doesn't matter if my biology helps me out or not, but women seem to like my charm. I'm not the most handsome, outgoing, or funniest person, but I click with them in a certain way. I'd rather be a small Asian guy who can talk to women than a white, black, or Hispanic guy who can't. Even if their biology had an upper hand, if they can't get some, then there's no point. I'd rather look up to my Asian friend for confidence and advice than anyone else.
     
  16. Fork2323

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    Well, one thing i noticed in a city like Los Angeles, Asian women are way more out going and culture curios than Asian men. I see Asian girls at Art shows, Fashion shows, street fairs, white dance clubs, rock concerts, Coachela, raves, underground after hour clubs, Hollywood showbiz events. they are Djs, GoGo dancers, fashion bloggers, hair & make-up styalists on movie sets, and have their own clothing lines etc. And I see very few Asian men at these same events.. Like almost no asian guys out socializing outside of their own group of guys or their own hood.. I dont know what they do. Do Asian men only hang in Asian communities? And only go to Asian clubs, or stay home playing video games? While their women are out enjoying the entire city and other culters? There are tones of Asian women in the fashion scene, white club scene, and art world, and very few asian men.. it also seems that Asian night at a club only pulls younger people and that once an Asian girl hits 22+ she goes to other stuff but asian men only stay at asian clubs once they get older...
     
  17. Detraks

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    just come over to canada :p
     
  18. Fork2323

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    Whats in canada?
     
  19. Namekian23

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    Yeah that seems pretty relevant in my area, although it's not exactly the way that you've described. However, one thing I've noticed a lot is when it comes to relationships, Asian women are seen more often with white men. Sometimes I would assume that since because they're so Americanized and not as obligated to cultural values as Asian men do, that adapting is more comfortable for them. On the other hand, out of all the 22 years that I've lived in New England, it's rare that I ever see an Asian guy with a white girl. More often than not, I usually see a group of Asians hanging out that are males and females, but I don't see any other group that's diverse as much. It's just that the Asian community is so small that it makes sense. You're more comfortable around who are similar to you.

    Other than that, I really don't know what to tell you. As far as I'm concerned, Asian men have a LOT of responsibility when it comes to cultural values. And for Asian men to date or marry another women besides their own would be looked down upon. It's obvious that you know that most Asian cultures have strong moral values when it comes to education, parenthood, and a list of other ethical components. And it's possible that their parents don't want them to be influenced by the American society, which also includes, hanging out with other people of different races. The biggest reason is because the parents are afraid that Asian men will lose their heritage.
     
  20. Namekian23

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    Canada also has Asian people
     

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