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Anti PMO AI would .. aka content for ruining the mood with the right timing

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Ongoingsupport, Jan 20, 2018.

  1. Ongoingsupport

    Ongoingsupport Fapstronaut

    Here's a game/thought experiment exercise inspired by the rickrolling..

    It's easy to imagine how seeing a clip like instead of porn would change the gears of your mind, but suppose an AI also inserted new content in a porn story to take it in a non-sexy direction.. Maybe in the future you can have this kind of AI program that doesn't block per se, but steer the thoughts represented by the content in another direction. So it could be quotes, anything.

    For now, lets imagine the effect of what would happen if you saw this instead of a porn clip you're anticipating - could be like extinction training with humor. Here's one:

     
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  2. Ongoingsupport

    Ongoingsupport Fapstronaut

    You might think of it as a "smart" mirror that takes the stuff you're trying to look at and throw it back at you with a twist..
     
  3. Ongoingsupport

    Ongoingsupport Fapstronaut

    Here's another idea, strictly 1:54-2:08 - possible pSub trigger in the rest of this video but this one is so popular I figure it should be safe to post with this and the warning:


    Essentially we are leveraging the novelty seeking aspect of the Coolidge effect for anti PMO purposes.
     
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  4. You don't need AI.... you can do this with your brain ;)
    I've been in red-light districts in summer time... and the smell.. good god... the stale sex smell in the warm summer air covered with cheap air freshener.... just thinking of it makes me gag. I've heard a producer say this about porn... the best way to kill porn would be if you could record and transmit the smell that goes with it :p
    But there is also just actually paying attention... unless you are sadistic it takes little observation to see that the women in porn are hating it... and at the very very best are acting well not to hate it. Then there are those who are clearly maxed out on pain pills or opiates.
    What about the frantic activity of the men... we're supposed to pretend it is savage fertility... it looks more like sexual exhaustion to me... they masturbated soon before so they wouldn't pop too fast and now they are desperately trying to not lose their erection... none of this is remotely close to anything I want.
    The problem is that most of the time when I have watched porn I was already triggered to begin with... and being triggered causes me to not pay attention... I look for my triggers and avoid what diffuses them... but it is possible to turn off this auto-pilot blindness.
     
  5. Ongoingsupport

    Ongoingsupport Fapstronaut

    I actually thought of using smell for extinction training the other day, there's a nontoxic fly trap solution that smells like rotting garbage, pair that up for some extra aversion..
     
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  6. Ongoingsupport

    Ongoingsupport Fapstronaut

    And what I'm suggesting is using your own mind by inviting people to think about it, automated solution is nice but people just don't think about having the same dependability in their own mind.
     
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  7. Rebooter45674

    Rebooter45674 Fapstronaut

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    I tried that failed miserably.... Found much weird stuff.
     
  8. Sorry to hear that. It may be the wrong approach for you, or too early, or you need more practice at it. I honestly did not start using this sort of thing till I was able to go PMO free for a couple weeks. All the typical techniques worked for me but I rarely made it to month and never past it. One thing I lack is guilt. I just don't have it with PMO. I was raised liberal so the concept of 'doing the right thing', and feeling bad when I don't, just doesn't work. I just don't care. That doesn't mean I am a psychopath though ;) Because if I can see with my own eyes that people in the video are genuinely disgusted and even in pain it takes the energy right out of what is triggering me sexually about it. There really are all kinds of conditions that exist in my mind for something to be sexually triggering. And the production of the videos are conveniently filtering most of that out. The medium itself, such as with sex stink smell, filters some more out. And the other hints I am just ignoring. They key is to get to deconstruct the trigger with the actual reality.
    You can also go a step further and inject off-putting fantasy into your triggers.
     
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    I am addicted to the guilt and numbness....I do not have guilt watching normal porn so I tend to watch bizarre stuff...Extreme Hardcore.....that gives me guilt....Firstly I thought I feel guilty so I should I will use it to my own advantage but as I progressed I came to know that guilt is the part of problem .....I see myself as a Bad and evil person after seeing extreme stuff...and that makes me numb also and empty inside...believe me internet is filled with horrible people...I have seen very much bad stuff....but not anything illegal.....The feeling at that time is too much....complete numbness, feeling emotionally very bad....and its adictive....so I now I have decided if it comes to relapsing this time....no more porn....I will just MO...or This shit would make me really into ....something....not human.
     
  10. ...and basically makes it more likely of doing it again I imagine?
    I can definitely relate to the low-self esteem and the wanting to numb myself component. There are probably things you need to figure out about yourself. It took a long time for me to realize that it had nothing to do with sex. PMO is just the best way I know to self-medicate away a general disappointment/dissatisfaction/boredom/pain I have being in the world. This is heavy shit for me. PMO makes the sharpness of the pain disappear... but it replaces it with a deep dull depression... it makes immediate life bearable, yet I am far worse off on PMO. As soon as I start lifting out of the PMO induced depression and numbness I am first confronted, of course, by the shock of the strength of the sexual urges... just from no longer being sexually exhausted, and during or after that, I am taken out by the pain of my misfit existence... that which really drove me into PMO in the first place. Slowly but surely I am learning to cope. For sure it was, at least in my case, impossible to deal with my emotional problems while still self-medicating on PMO. You have to fight your way out of PMO just so you can start learning how to deal with the other stuff.

    But here is the irony: The thing to take hope from. Are you familiar with the notion that the fear of pain is worse than the pain itself? You see this in sensitive kids: a little pain makes them freaking panic. I can also feel it in myself: the bracing tensing, anguish of physical pain.... but when you let go and just experience the pain... it actually is far less intense than you thought? This is what my "emotional issues" have been like. I am so used to running away, shutting down, self-medicating, that I have no idea how much easier it was to cope with life than I had imagined. Sure breaking these habits sucks. And life will still suck at times too. But I can cope a lot better than I thought possible. I am lot stronger than I thought possible.

    Obviously, when I fell into this habit I was just a kid.... I had a kids problems and a kids pains along with a kids hopes and dreams... I had a distorted view of the world and have been hiding away since then.... not realizing that the world is less terrifying than I thought and that I am stronger and more reasonable now...
     
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    Yeah I can relate to tht...I was also exposed to hardcore pornography at a very tender age.....I used to think this is how sex happens.....It also seems to me that if you are exposed to it when you are 10 -12 years old and basically grow with it......you become more vulnerable to it ....the correct word would become dependent on it....I remember watching porn for 4 to 6 hours in my teen years....I think it also fucks up brain's chemistry ....
     
  12. Temporarily, yes, but you can heal. You have to heal, you owe it to yourself, and to everyone missing out on the real you. These people exist, you may not have met most of them yet, but they exist. There is a better happier you inside of you that will have different friends and lovers when it appears.

    The biggest step is that you have to completely stop trusting your feelings. And really only ever rely on your thoughts when you are nowhere near triggered. Take a purely practical attitude to fight this beast. You need to *learn* how to fight it. You can't just decide to win and then get depressed when you fail (that is the addictive cycle). Every feeling you experience until you reboot will be a ruse to get you on the road to indulge again. Just plan to feel like shit. It's not like life is so great on PMO. It's going to get worse (for several months maybe a year) before it gets better. But there is no question it's worth it. And there is no question that you cannot do it. You have the ability and you can learn the skill to do this.

    You know how most culture had a rite of initiation? Like the story of a tribe that sends their boys out into the wilderness alone, they have to kill a lion or die trying? After that they are men? We were never told this: but PMO is our lion. Reboot is reaching manhood.
     
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