All about Dopamine and PMO!

This is ridiculous. We are talking about timespans where so many other things can cause those changes in perception, not excluding placebo effect. If i am gonna feel like shit either way for the next huge chunk of my life, whats the point of nofap. I might as well throw my dice like it is and i will get same results.

 

It depends on a lot of factors. How addicted you were etc.

I loved pretty rough porn stuff, which probably made me have a much longer recovery time. I also did not go hardmode.

NoFap is not for everyone. If you are going to do the reboot, you have to prepare for a long time with withdrawal symptoms..

 

Not ridiculous at all considering some of us have watched and abused porn for years. Recovery won’t happen over night, Rome wasn’t built in a day. Overstimulating for a long period of time comes with serious mentally debilitating symptoms.

Have faith in recovery, read the many recovering stories posted on yourbrainonporn and most of all good luck!

 

Thats exactly the problem, what makes it ridiculous it that these timespans are not considered ridiculous, they are very common. I did read alot of these success stories and because these long timespans were often in question it was really difficult to discern effects of nofap from other life events that happened and might influenced their mental and physical state. Not to mention that when we talk in these lifespans talking about success kinda loses its point, because at that point faith in the process just becomes integrated with ones personality with or without objective effects from nofap. Ironically thats the only way to succeed in this game: you must not seek success, take it one day at the time cause the struggle never ends.

 

Take it easy people who have even achieved the 100 days leaving not 365 !! hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh , I want you all to encourage us , I am sure that addiction of porn for about 20 years ( https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/i-am-a-guilty-husband.193221/#post-1661571 ) will not cure after 90 days , like Gym .

but 90 days cure is a short term goal for us , I believe there will be increasing in any brain performance . but the Premature ejaculation and weak erection syndrome we can over come it I believe that either by sports , meditation or even medical advice .

Porn + Masturbation + Orgasm have taken from our health , brain activities and wasted time .
we must all help each other to overcome it .

Please pray for me to over come my biggest challenges in my whole life as a Guilty Husband .

 

Best advice for the 90 days goal is not to think a long step forward, but do one day at the time instead.

 

Yeah well the guys who feel the need to debate about it are often those who have never been really, seriously addicted. That or they're just trying to figure out an excuse to keep using.

The fact that (in case of real pmo addiction) withdrawal symptoms are so severe, resembling those seen in cocain or opioid withdrawal, suggests, proves even, that we're not talking about mere placebo. As the saying goes: The proof is in the pudding. Everyone is different but if you're suggesting these withdrawal symptoms aren't real, you better think again, because unfortunately they are very real.

If you quit porn and all of the sudden start dreaming at night, after years of hardly ever dreaming at all, that's a strong indicator pmo does affect the subconscious mind. I wouldn't wish it on anyone but you'd know exactly how poisonous porn really is if you had to go through withdrawal that severe. Clinical depression and conditions like PAWS aren't placebo man. But having to go through it for however long it may take still beats living the rest of life feeling utterly ashamed, guilty and disgusted if you ask me. The price to pay after years of addiction is a big one, if you haven't gone through it you won't understand how intense and downright debilitating it can be. But to feel free from those daily thoughts of worthlessness, shame, guilt and despair, that alone makes it a price worthy of paying. Pmo affects life in so many ways. Not just mentally, but physically as well. Fortunately science is starting to comprehend that pmo addiction has some serious physical consequences. The metabolical problems this addiction can cause aren't your average gp visitation topic. We're talking actual brain shrinkage.

See for yourself if you don't believe me... I mean it is a wake up call to say the least. Placebo doesn't do this man. No way.

 

Then go on your favorite tube and beat your meat on your favorite shit...

 

Placebo does at least that. You dont have to go far for proof. This forum is full of testimonials where people used placebo to help them lose this addiction: God. Ora et labora. Now apply that idea focused attention over a period of years and wonders start to happen.

 

I had not seen that before... Really puts things in perspective

 

That is scaring...

 

In your previous post you were talking about withdrawal symptoms being placebo, now you're comparing placebo to willpower and motivation... I don't see how placebo could ever cause things like hypofrontality or actual clinical depression. These conditions can only be caused by being addicted for years. Not sure where you're going with this but in any case I wouldn't confuse real decisions, hard work, determination, and real physical effects caused by years of overmasturbation with self-fulfilling prophecies... There are hundreds of guys on here who are going through a very hard time in life and who do know all too well that pmo addiction is the real cause of all of their problems. To come here and tell them it's all in their heads and based on personal beliefs is ignorant to say the least.

 

yes of course you are right @msfreedom
I have done it before , I hate a website of news because it was posting fake news even I was opening it on daily basis because I like its sports news coverage ( even I like this website so much) I have a direct decision that I will not open this website again .
Yes I have done I stopped watching website for 3 years till now , I only open it from 2 to 3 times only in this 3 years .

 

Actually, i was talking about positive effects of NoFap alone, that they can be placebo. We stop seeing positive changes but still continue for years like that. That doesnt really change my point, but it might be more clear. Hypofrontality and depression can also be caused by many things besides NoFap. And cured too. Besides fapping alone doesnt necesarilly cause either, though it is correlated.

Its the self fulfilling prophecy, faith, that is in the core of all this work. It is that thing that keeps you afloat when youre felling like shit for months. Or years...

Id say its inconsiderate. Maybe just plain wrong. But not ignorant.

 

@HereAndThere, I can't help jumping in quickly. It sounds like your main point is that people are stating what they feel the main benefits of NoFap are to them, but, you know, life is complicated and you want to tell them it's probably a number of factors of which NoFap is just one. I'm not sure anyone would really argue with that, so this is an argument for argument's sake.

People can find the structure and philosophy of NoFap to be beneficial in a number of ways. Try to take what you can from it without taking away from others.

To respond to the OP at least a little - you raise good points about dopamine. Becoming more aware of the way I had been seeking that 'drug' as a response to stressors in my daily life a little while ago was a big help for me. Great post.

 

Holy shit, it's similar to cocaine addiction..