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47 months FLATLINE - Permanent brain damage ?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Experiment1996, Dec 4, 2023.

  1. Experiment1996

    Experiment1996 Fapstronaut

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    Hi guys.

    I start with month 48 today and I am still in the flatline -> PAWS (post acute withdrawal symptoms) from my PMO (porn, masturbation, orgasm) addiction that I had between age 13-22. I am 27 now.

    I had PAWS-reductions at month 4, 6, 18, 32, 40, 43 and 46. This means that the symptoms became weaker. I have had 3 PAWS reductions this year. I've never had so many in one year. The year is not over yet. Maybe there will be another PAWS reduction. Who knows...

    No drugs, no medication, no alcohol, no porn, no sex, BUT I had 5 MO relapses in a timespan of 3 weeks between month 43 and 44. Despite these 5 MO relapses I had a PAWS reduction in month 46. The 5 MO relapses made my symptoms worse until the most recent PAWS reduction in month 46. The 5 MO relapses showed me that it's really "just" chemical imbalance in the brain and that's why I have the flatline (PAWS). Nothing can move me away from this conviction.

    What led to these 5 MO-Relapses ? After 3.5 years of flatlining I was disappointed that I still had very bad symptoms and still couldn't function in society like a normal person. I wondered if it wasn't the flatline at all, but something else. I convinced myself that it was a normal depression, anxiety disorder due to trauma. I was desperate that after 3.5 years I still couldn't do a normal job and couldn't function socially. During this time I also did TRE (trauma, release, exercise) but it didn't help me. I had hoped that this would be the way out, but I was disappointed. At that time I was also under a lot of stress because I was working.

    I can remember. Everything was fine until I was 12 years old. I didn't have any mental health problems. No social anxiety, no anhedonia, no depression, no brain fog. Then I started PMO when I was 13 and within about 2 weeks my personality changed completely. I went to school and it was like all the colors were gone. I had bad anhedonia, stopped talking to my classmates. I could no longer listen to the teacher in class because I had no concentration at all. I had bad brain fog. I developed social anxiety. I lost interest in my hobbies and in the world. I was lost. I became a different person. This happened within 2 weeks of PMO use. You have to imagine that I was 13 at the time and I continued with PMO until I was 22. All those symptoms I got at 13 got worse year by year.

    After 47 months, I still have these symptoms: Anhedonia, almost no emotions, brain fog, social anxiety, very low energy, zero motivation, zero libido, numbness (feeling no vibration or positive emotions in the body), weak bladder and weak urine stream. My face and eyes look dull and lifeless. My voice feels weak and monotone. I have forced myself to use the Azar app several times. One person told me I looked like I was about to run amok and another asked me why I looked so sad. The face looks different in the flatline. The flatline is mysterious and scary.

    I am still unemployed. I have been unemployed for most of these 47 months. I lived most of the time on unemployment benefit and my savings. I'll soon have to apply for social welfare because my savings are running out and, in the worst case, I'll have to apply for a disability pension. I have no motivation to go to work or do anything outside. I live alone and am at home all day. I'm on TikTok and play Battlefield on the computer. My brain is not working. If 1 person gave me 1 million francs right now, I wouldn't enjoy it. I would stay at home and do nothing. I wouldn't go on vacation or do anything with this money. You have to understand that my brain is damaged. I want to change my situation, but my brain just doesn't work. I want to work, but my brain just says "no why should I ? -> I don't feel any pleasure and zero motivation." I get up every morning and feel no emotions or drive to do anything. Absolutely zero motivation. I have no desire to talk to my family, friends or anyone else. I hardly feel any joy when I talk to people. My brain and my body feel numb. My brain doesn't respond to anything. I see the injured and dead Palestinian children in Gaza and I don't feel anything at all. I don't care what happens there either. I can't feel any sympathy. I think even if there was a war in my city, I wouldn't care. If I was married to one of the most beautiful women, I wouldn't be interested in having sex with her. I would sleep in my room and she would sleep in her room. That's how I describe anhedonia. It scares me that after 47 months I still can't function like a normal person.

    I think there are maybe only 2 people whose flatline is as bad or worse than mine. Others are in the flatline and can still function normally, i.e. work, study, do sports, go to the gym. I am not able to do these things. I have tried to work several times, but in the end I went on sick leave at work for a long time, resigned or was made redundant.

    This may sound exaggerated, but I believe that an orgasm has extreme effects on the brain. I would even say that it is similar to benzodiazepines or opioids.

    The thing that keeps me going are some PAWS success stories from benzodiazepines I found on "benzobuddies" and the duration was 4-5 years. 5 years -> That's the "magic" number I'm aiming for. In addition, the PAWS reductions I have had so far are proof of healing. Even though I still can't function normally in society.

    If you've read through all this, you'll understand that I'm one of the worst cases. The longest PAWS success story of benzos lasted 5 years. It can't be that it will take longer than 5 years for me. I don't think I could bear that.

    The question is: Will I really be cured next year or am I permanently damaged ?
     
  2. Ezpz

    Ezpz Fapstronaut

    I know what it feels like to go through a long reboot. Im sorry that you are struggling still.

    Will it be permanent? No i wouldn't imagine that its possible to be permanent. These symptoms are there for a reason and thats to get the brain back into a state of homeostasis. Some brains take longer to do so and unfortunately you and i are part of the outliers.

    your case is different to mine in that you seem to be in a constant flatline, whereas my recovery is all over the place with symptoms fluctuating on a month to month basis. Other users ive seen on here who are in a constant flatline seem to recovery all of a sudden over a very short and seemingly random period of time, im guessing thats what will happen in your case to.

    the only thing i would suggest that could “speed up” recovery would be exercise. I posted a study on the paws thread not to long ago on its effects on the dopamine d2/d3 receptors by methamphetamine users.
     
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  3. big_boi

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    Mate, i would give you 100% working advice.
    Go to another community - psilocybin mushrooms community. There are good people there and a lot of guides. If you don't know what mushrooms do, then short version is - they rewrite your brain completety in a span of 5 hours and there are tons of studies beingh done in the last decade about how one psilocybin trip remove literally any addiction, including the most hardcore ones.
     
  4. My Dear friend @Experiment1996 - I hope you'll heal sooner and this is my advice to you - I suggest you apply these as soon as possible:

    (( This will make this nightmare of yours end by 5 Years! ))

    1/ Start doing Exercices! ( As mentioned by @50_Megatons )

    2/ Start doing Subconscious Programing regarding healing Every Single Day!
    Please read about Self Hypnosis / Auto Hypnosis and the Miracle of the Subconscious Mind! I suggest you get the book of The Power of ypur Subconscious Mind by Dr.Joseph Murphy.
    (( Apply Subconscious Programing toward healing is extremely Crucial! ))
    Please do not under estimate this advice! There are true miracle of people who cured hard disease with this, there is a case of someone who lost their sight and while applying it - their sight came back! ( Search this! )

    3/ Do Dopamine Fasting! [ You dopamine receptors are fried and giving them artificial dopamine on daily basis isn't going to help at all - I'm talking here about YouTube, Anime, Video Game... Google it for more info! ]
    Apply Dopamine Fasting as much as possible! For weeks and months if possible!

    4/ Spend a minimum of 30 Mins or 1 Hour in the Nature at least 3 time a week.

    What I mentioned here is very important to your recovery! And that's exactly what I'll be doing if I were you!

    Beyond that I would also suggest - that you have a good healthy diet including brain food ( Mustly Nuts - Almond and Walnuts...)

    I will also suggest you to visite a doctor specilized in treating addiction while applying this!

    Please apply this for a Year - I'll be more than happy to talk to you about it a year from now! Good Luck!
     
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2023
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  5. Anurag12

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    I am returning to this Nofap account after a long time, and saw this guy's post so wanted to share my opinion and experiences with Nofap and PAWS.

    My age is 29 years old and I was addicted to PMO since age 14 and used watch a lot of porn and that too the Xtreme ones.

    I was wondering why and how my life is just going downwards before I started Nofap when I was finding hard to score good in exams and overall in almost everything. Even my health problems, I was not able to figure because I was not aware of anything like PMO addiction and Nofap and then in 2018 I found this wonderful website and I created an account here and this is where my journey to new life began.

    Also, each and every word I am gonna speak here is all true so guys just listen here carefully on my experiences which may motivate others and may inspire as well.

    I am at a stage where I can call myself that I am 99% healed from this PMO shit and having a wonderful job as Network Engineer and life is so amazing.

    Now, the above guy thinks he has done some permanent damage to his brain but I want to tell him that there is nothing such thing as permanent brain damage in any addiction so just consider this as a myth.

    There r people who r still fighting from this shit and I even took almost 5 years to properly heal myself from this PMO addiction, I struggled and these thoughts like brain damage, etc used to keep coming and I kept on loosing hopes but as we say that "God only help those who help themselves" so I got a wonderful support from my GF who understood me and acted as accountability partner and supported me to carryon with this NO PMO journey and she would be counseling me.

    I just don't want to go in details since I have a big big story stage wise how I started my NO PMO journey here and how I struggled through years to finally finding success.

    So, don't think that ur brain has any permanent damage from this addiction, it's just that everyone's body and brain is different and also addiction but what matters is perseverance and never giving up attitude because even if u think going back to PMO to get rid of struggle then that too won't help u much and even it will make it more worse so find new ways and replace your older habits with new ones like I did. You have got one life, get out of ur comfort zone and take risks in life by doing something different and also don't sit back home all day alone, go out meet new people and make some friends and share your wonderful journey of life and struggles that u have been through and make good habits like running, jogging, reading good books etc and also don't forget God.

    I am keeping things short here because I can go endless as I have many things to say but I just came to motivate those who r feeling stuck in this journey and feeling they have any permanent brain damage or any such things like that but brain is plastic, just think if ur normal brain can turn into addiction then ur addicted brain can also turn into normal brain but it's just only all about how persevere and strong will power u have.

    Any answer or query, anyone can DM or post here, would be happy if my advice or any suggestions benefits anyone here.

    It's wonderful to be back here after a long time and good to see people are waking up for a positive change.
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2023
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  6. Experiment1996

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    I am not obese, frail or skinny. I am normal. I had this month an other PAWS reduction...
     
  7. SuperSaiyan99

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    Hey bro if u did mo during the reboot phase its a relapse?
     
  8. Experiment1996

    Experiment1996 Fapstronaut

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    What's your question?
     
  9. SuperSaiyan99

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    If you did PMO during 48 months recovery
     
  10. Red Moon

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    Did you have the " Flatline " and genital numbness ? If so, for how long ? And did you also have Anhedonia during your " reboot " ?

    Cheers.
     
  11. Experiment1996

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    Did you read the post ?
     
  12. Experiment1996

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    No.
     
  13. Anurag12

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    I had flatline for almost 1 and a half year and some days it was okay but somedays it was completely flatlined and also anhedonia thing is not a magic pill, u need work upon and start replacing bad habits from good one and u will notice slowly u will start enjoying all the activities that u do but stay away from PMO. I had the same issue, I didn't feel any enjoyment out of life except porn and masturbation and let me tell u my way of rebooting was different, I 1st started with tapering myself off from Porn for 6 months and then started stopping masturbation as well because I believe Porn is main culprit here.

    In my case I always had a very good erection throughout the journey and this happened due to regular good diet that I used to have. So genital numbness I rarely faced during the journey.
     

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