Both Modern Feminism and MGTOW Were Created to Divide and Conquer

The elite, or the shadow government, have created these two groups to divide and conquer both sexes. Now, there is some stuff I agree with the MGTOW community. But overall, I strongly believe that they are just being used as goyem pawns in this big game of world chess. Men, stay away from the MGTOW trap. Its evil agenda is to make men believe that ALL women are evil, wicked creatures by nature. Not even kidding, this is what they are teaching. They are literally demonizing ALL women into one group. How can they not see that they are being used as pawns, turning them into hateful, weak and lonely men? I see it clear as day. Never give up hope on humans. Nofap, NOT mgtow.

 

Whatever you do, just don't buy into the "all women are evil" part.

 

It does seem like it does want to divide and conquer. A lot of feminists today are anti marriage and anti family and the MGTOW movement is advocating for men to be single, so yeah, maybe it could be seen as a divide and conquer strategy.

 

Wow just reading on the MGTOW definition, I guess I could kinda identify with MGTOW in a way, as I practice celibacy, for many reasons, one of them being, I do tend to generalize women as being hypergamous, only marrying men for money and nothing else, even though this is wrong.

 

I don't really like MGTOW and feminism because they attract many woman/man hating males/females as well as a lot of beta males/beta females that are hurt in one way or other and run to these philosophies to justify what they have caused to themselves by their dysfunctional behavior. They certainly do not represent the movements as a whole. They are just minority of apples in a basket. But minority of rotten apples can make the whole basket to stink from far away. And while I think it's not rational to generalize I still can't get myself to link positive associations with those movements. I do however think that a lot of what they stand for are some real issues we have to recognize and deal with. But I don't necessary think we need a label to do that.

 

Really...? You're gonna sit there and say mgtow "literally" demonizes women?

Dont listen to this man. Im not in mgtow but goddamn.. Not even close. Mgtow recognizes that we live in a society that women always go first before men, they just dont fuck with it. If you get married, and get divorced, the court will almost always give main custody of children to mother and same w money/property. Of course this isnt always the case bc of certain situations the mother clearly did wrong. But "demonizing" women? bullshit lol

Feminism claims to be about equality but it's not (in a way). Alot of feminists believe that but the way they go about that is quite the opposite. They have a distorted view that women are "severly" undervalued then men. The key word is "severly". So, in turn, they (try to lmao) give women rights and more benefits, and not men. Feminism is veerryyy hypocritical bc this doesnt give equality to both genders. They have ditorted, and sometimes radical, views on this and think they are but in turn theyre giving rights to women and not men. its backwards, the opposite of equality. but i guess its called feminism for a reason. But just to clarify, although i didnt have the same ideals as them.. i support them 100%, both groups.

But to say that mgtow is "demonizing" females is foolish. no offense. but just do some research about it

 

I agree, feminism is a joke. Like I've said, I agree with a lot of things mgtow has to say, especially with marriage and modern women. The thing is, I've seen so many mgtow videoes put ALL women into one group, which is ludicrous.

 

what group? are you saying categorizing them all into one group instead of how it actually is?

 

It makes sense to do so for somebody who is ignorant about negative effects of pornography. There are multiple red pills out there, not just one. MGTOW have discovered some of those pills, but not all of them. I think MGTOW ideas goes very much in line with NoFap. Because by jerking off to porn we are still being slave to the vagina. I think that's the least what they want, yet that's exactly MGTOW who promote porn are doing. True freedom from female sexual influence can only be achieved if one has full control of his sexuality. And that's exactly what NoFap helps to accomplish.

 

True.

 

I do not want female genitalia to rule me like some guys let them. I am going to be in control of my own self and not a female body part.

 

Females were always put first in many ways. Who gets to leave the sinking boat, children and women. Who is to fight off the enemy, the men. It has been that way ever since. In return, men demanded some say over women. With power comes responsibility, with responsibility comes power - turn it however you want, it is still the same thing.

The thing is, as long as feminism means equal say for equal burden, I am all for it. More than that, I am more like "it is about time". I come from a country (germany) where until recently, we still had a draft for the military and growing up, I just couldn't accept the concept, that I would be expected to spend 1-2 years of my life in the military if I wanted or not, just because I am a male and every female of my age just wouldn't have to. And it is these things, where feminism usually doesn't ask for equality. They don't want the equal burden, but the equal privileges.

This is something that always felt deeply unfair to me, which has nothing to do with gender / or differences in genders. Just two groups of people, happening to be called "males" and "females", which have very different obligations in society. And even up to today, whenever a woman is pregnant, ofcourse the father is supposed to drop everything and put his life in service of his new family - even after the birth, the mother isn't SUPPOSED TO e. g. work to provide, she can and more often than not even will, but the idea of a stay home dad, while the mother goes to work, is still alien to most people and certainly not the general assumption of what is "normal" or "goes without saying".

Aside from such examples, you get what I mean. The term "masculinism" itself doesn't (really) exist, even tho in a balanced society, with strong feminism, it would just appear natural, that such a thing existed. If men voice concerns about a new glass ceiling (same qualification, the woman gets the job most of the time nowadays, just because she is female and that trumps the male contenders always), they are rather made fun of, than taken seriously. For the very same concerns, for which are lengthy debates held by feminists and society in general. I can't help that I was born as a male, I love being male no doubt about that, but not because I see myself in some privileged position in society due to that - rather the opposite, at least for younger generations. But time and time again, feminist positions are brought down with a sort of alarmist tone, as if we still lived in the 1960s, where many women indeed were treated like crap by men. The alarmism just never seems to stop, no matter how much feminism achieves. It will never be enough for them.

 

You don't think "black lives matter" is going in the complete opposite direction of its intentions? Look, Im a white male who grew up in the burbs. My parents are relatively good people in that they raised me a certain way. I have always looked at different races and different lifestylestyles (gay, trans, etc) as not an issue.

I say not an issue bc it posses me off when people, typically white, says that "they don't see color", "they see everybody the same physically". This is extremely ignorant and just false to say. Color is there, it just depends on if it bothers you. Or when white people say "I'm not racist, I have black friends".....

I see black people, along with other races of course, and I embrace it. ALRIGHT this next sentence is gonna sound fucking weird. I think if Africans weren't transported to the US today would be so fucking weird. I am NOT advocating slavery and OBVIOUSLY back then it would be better to not have that whole ordeal. But, present day.. Allooottt of my favorite things I enjoy are bc of the black community (nba, hiphop, etc)

I personally judge people all the time based on how they are around me. People change though so it's not set and stone. I've had 2 black people rob me and 1 white person rob me. This is when i was younger and now that wouldnt happen lol Im obviously aware of the gang life and how a lot of black men that indulge this lifestyle live a life of crime and shit. But that don't mean all blacks do this.

And I'm not gay but I'm all for the gas as well. Bc fuck it, why not? Whats the big deal. Free will broth

MY MAIN POINT. Black lives matter. This has been around for a while now but got popular in the media after that one week period where 3 black men got shot by police, all different instances. You remember? Alton sterling, and a couple other dudes. I watched all of those videos multiple times. Alton Sterling, I feel for his family and the police bc that was rough. I, in no way shape or form, feel for Sterling. It truly amazes me bc they played the video on news channels and people started rioting. The other guys I feel for them, police, and their families. Sterling was blatantly (IN THE VIDEO) trying to kill these 2 cops w everything he had. He's a killer, no remorse for him. Is all in the video. That simple.

I honestly, with every ounce in my veins, HAAATTTTEEEEEEE the national news media. I don't watch it. Everything is one sided to get views and everything is distorted. Remember a couple weeks after this black lives matter thing, 20 Dallas cops shot dead by some fuckker? Who's to blame for that? The media, #1. The media killed those cops. Yeah the sniper radicals pulled the trigger. But the media blasted those videos on national TV with the headlines "RACIST WHITE COP KILLS UNARMED BLACK MAN". With all the bullshit going on, people watch that and buy into that bullshit. They killed those Dallas police officers. The media is all just a fugazi, it's fake. They take stories and distort them to get viewers and ratings. Think about it, I'm serious.

I understand black lives matter (BLM). I think it's arrogant to say "all lives matter". But it's true in a way. BLM creates a separation between whites and blacks. Although we have been separated for a while now, it is moving in the opposite direction and creating a further separation. It's fucked tbh. All lives matter is NOT the solution. But it makes more sense in the long run to go w all lives matter (blacks, whites, and cops). But again, this means nothing. All lives matter isn't a real organization. It's just something people say.

 

Those last 2 sentences are the fucking truth bro...

 

I can't say anything about these black lives matter thoughts of yours, this seems to be a very us-american debate. After all, the origins of modern day US are the root of all of that. First the european colonists came (called "caucasians" for some reason in US english), they extinct the natives and wanted to turn the territory - at first - in an expansion of european ways of life. Also the so called "founding fathers" perceived themselves, when it came to national identity as in culture, as of european herritage. But many of them also were seen as religious extremists, which is why they left europe, e. g. the "pilgrims". And then they had the wicked plan of slavery and abducted many africans to serve them. That is at least my "outside perspective" as an european, when I look at US history.

Even nowadays this beginning of modern day north america seems to still play a huge role. Ofcourse blacks can't forget and forgive how they were treated just until a few decades ago. I come from a country, where we are in deepest regrets about our past (having started both world wars, having murdered milions of people in an industrial fashion) but still germany is, and probably always will be, shunned for its past, no matter how much of a good citizen of the world we try to be nowadays. And rightfully so. Some things just can't be forgotten and forgiven and leave those, who were born afterwards, in a responsibility for the deeds of their ancestors. One can't take the benefits of living in a certain country and be proud about it and whatnot, but then declare "I have nothing to do with it" when it comes to the dark pages.

So I would discuss this on a very different level. This alarmistic, modern day feminism also is colorblind in a very ignorant way. E. g. I always find it shameful, how white, heterosexual, all-german females here, who may not own 50 % of the sky yet, but maybe 48 %, complain so much with feminist ideas, how bad they have it - while the same time, those who are REALLY discrimanted against are LGBT, are people of color, are muslims. And so a male muslim or gay male would have so much more reasons to complain, than those affluent feminists, but their voice isn't heard. Because alarmist feminism always plays itself in the foreground, always wants to be the center of attention and accepts no other objects besides feminism in politics (to put it a bit provocative). This way, we don't have a dialog in our society, but a feminist monolog and more and more suffering minorities get left behind (and no, females aren't a minority per se).

PS: and to make another example of the need for attention of modern day feminism, in germany we have had a civil union for LGBT for almost 2 decades now, with in essence the same rights as heterosexual marriage. But conservatives still insist on the different name to it, always talking about the bible in the end. While the bible is simply no source of our constitution - and is in other areas (e. g. abortion, contrary to the US it is not really even debated about abortion anymore) absolutely irrelevant even for conservative politicians. So it is basically a figleaf argument, so people who never attend church can babble something about "the bible says marriage is between a man and a woman", when they really want to say "I hate fags, that is why!". Hiding their hate behind a religion that preaches love, but I digress.

And in this situation, feminists now started to attack LGBT interests from behind, rather than having our back. Now they claim, LGBT shouldn't have equal rights to legal marriage. Because they claim marriage in itself is outdated and needs to be abolished, but that reasoning is irrelevant because in the end, they stand shoulder to shoulder with religious zealots - think about that! This is how absurd and self-centered feminism has become, that they would even throw the fight for equality of LGBT people under the bus, just to get their message out.

 

Have you been to Rothenburg ob Der tauber (think spelling is correct)???

 

Rothenburg ob der Tauber? No, not really. But I've heard it is a destination americans like to visit. I am not sure why tho. So you have been to D?