Is there really such thing as a non-addicted porn watcher?

Yes, but keep in mind many of us were addicted before we even became aware we were addicted. The recovering addict sees this in hindsight. And so, a lot of 'recreational users' out there may simply be unconscious addicts... addicts without realizing that they actually are addicts [then there is a further class that know they are addicts to pornography, or masturbation, but are in denial about it... and so you get the endless rationalization].

This only goes to show that addiction is a slippery slope process. It is not so clear cut where one is one day not an addict, and the next day is an addict. This also goes to show that the use of pornography is inherently 'vicious'.

 

Yes, well over 95% of first encounters with porn happen before the age of 18. The thing is you can never stop a kid from accessing porn.
No matter how hard you try, you can not stop a 13 year old determined to see porn. The only way to stop it would probably be by making signups with credit cards but that can take away an huge chunk of the porn User base.
There is no way to stop this pandemic. The porn industry will sure as hell fight back with everything they have to make sure their industry stays afloat.

 

Just as parents in the past had to have 'that chat' about sex education, so too they have to now, sadly, have a chat about pornography. But then a majority of parents today seem to be users of pornography, and then averse to making 'moral judgements'. The rot has set in. We are doomed.

 

I've never really had a 'Sex Talk'. Not from parents or at school. Although I did have the porn talk(not much of a talk than a 'Don't Do It').
Still ended up here.
But I guess we're not having real conversations about this stuff, people are more interested in talking about those skimpy outfit celebs wore to the red carpet event, info about who's getting a breast enlargement, or the latest rumors about why that power couple split up.
That's pretty much not going to change especially with this current generation. We've been exposed to the novelty of free, immersive, interactive P.

 

It's a difficult one. Common decency involves a sense of shame, and it can be shameful to even talk about this stuff in a family setting. Most parents would like to see a state of innocence preserved as long as possible before the realities of the world come crashing in. But they are crashing in with the smart phone at their fingertips. Our culture is titillated with curiosity for the real... what restrained us in the past was a moral imagination which understood the real in terms of good and evil. So that would mean that children urgently require, from a young age, an education in the humanities that provides them with this sense.

 

What if being prone to addiction, in all manner of form, is our natural state? What if all the civilizing influences of family, education and community are required to raise us from our natural state.... to humanize us. Science is no help here.

 

I probably wont get it till I'm a parent.
Lol Id probably end up showing my kids porn when I'm giving them the talk. I feel that's the whole cause of the Generation Gap thing. Trying to "protect" them. Back in pre-historic days, dads would take their kids out hunting and throw them to the wolves to make them men. We think we are an advanced civilization, a modern society, and that thinking has made the world weak. We trade away our lives for so called "security" and "benefits"

 

In my experience, you cannot really judge who is and who isn't addicted and it's not for us to assume that because someone views porn they are addicted to it. addiction is something that a person must come to terms with themselves, so really it's a personal choice as to whether they admit they have an addiction. The problem with the addict in all forms of addiction is the fierce denial when they are confronted by another person who tells them they are an addict, some addicts may even half heartedly or jokingly agree but the difficulty is finding the strength to confront it because, to admit you are an addict is seen by many as a form of weakness, yet paradoxically overcoming addiction is a sign of strength.

 

There are two kinds of people in this world: Those who find it difficult to stop watching porn and those who have never tried to stop.

We find it difficult.

ps, by "people" I mean "man".

 

Good question. I watched porn casually for decades, often with intimate partners, before it became a serious issue. In my case, it is not hard to pinpoint when it became a problem. When I became ill several years ago and suddenly had a lot of time on my hands, porn gradually took over. Perhaps it would not have become a problem in the same way, if I had the same busy work schedule that I had before I fell ill. On the other hand, the types of porn available now ("high quality" streaming videos, interactive chat, high resolution photos, etc.) may be more addictive than the low quality junk available years ago.

Of course there are plenty of other destructive elements to porn even if someone is a moderate user, such as the objectification of women, dissatisfaction with a normal sex life, etc. So, I'm not sure it is ever a healthy thing to do, even before it starts ruining your life. Also, I worry a bit about placing too much emphasis on the concept of the addictive personality. Just because someone is not susceptible to addiction to alcohol, drugs, gambling, etc., does not mean that they are immune from a porn addiction. Even a highly addiction-resistant person might find it hard to quit heroin given enough exposure.

 

It's not the physical addiction to heroin that is the problem. You can detox someone in a week and the physical addiction is gone. But they will crave heroin for months afterward. The real issue is the psychological addiction.

It doesn't work this way. People can become addicts at any time, even after years of doing an activity without any problems. Eg, maybe someone was smoking on and off for years without a problem, then a stressful situation came up and he started smoking much more, and became addicted. There are all kinds of situations and the story of every addict is different.

Again, if someone does not know an activity is a problem, then what is the difference in doing it periodically, and the frequency can increase, and someone being forced to do it?

Nothing can be further from the truth. Of course the highs from non-PMO activities are much higher than what the PMO addict gets from PMO. The addict knows that PMO is destroying his life and knows that doing other things are going to make him much happier. It is not about happiness. PMO certainly doesn't give "more pleasure than anything else", and the addict knows this.

The idea that there are two kinds of ppl, those with addictive brains and non-addictive brains, is false. Everyone will become addicted to certain substances if exposed to it, eg certain drugs. If there was an addict brain and a non-addict brain, then why do some have a certain addiction and others a different one? Eg, I do not have a problem with alcohol. But someone else becomes an alcoholic, and doesn't have a problem with PMO.

 

Changing for Good and Breaking Addiction are 2 books that give a better look into the mindset of addicts. Also see this video:

Although as I pointed out in this thread https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/what-is-the-opposite-of-addiction.99922/, there are some flaws in the presenter's arguments.

 

Yes, there is a mainstream 'denial' about pornography. It does not want to 'moralize' about anything, so if everything is done in moderation then that is OK [it also justifies our own use] Why? Because the mainstream culture wants everyone to be a moderate addict [as if there could be such a thing], with whatever,... that is the way consumerism works. It will probably also be what leads to its eventual demise.