Let's Talk About Rape

WOW @zathura you really took the time to compile a heathfelt and well written response.

Maybe I am jaded, or maybe I am lazy, when I see someone who is a troll, self righteous, or both I just flag them as ignored and move on; I think they just want attention and Don't feed the trolls is a good internet strategy.

Wishing you the best in your reboot. You seem smart, and smart is rare and good!

 

First, thanks for responding Dendrite.


Yes, the men's rights crowd is the absolute worst as you can see from the cries of 'Misandry!! Whaaa!' Yet, they're here because they're addicted to male sexual violence against women in media (Porn) And then they want me to prove that male sexual violence against women is a totes real problem. I mean, you couldn't break the irony meter more than by telling women there's no problem w/ male sexual violence against females while on a forum about addiction to male sexual violence against women and girls. Add to that I'm a woman whose ex was a porn addict! Paging Captain Obvious!

Makes me wonder why they're even here. Ya know?

My ex was a porn addict and I'm here for the other half of the human race that has been systematically sexually objectified, beaten, raped, tortured and murdered because of male violence. It's endemic and only getting worse due to porn and the prostitution industry.

If you (the royal you) can't admit those basic truths then I don't know why you're here. Stopping your consumption of porn, which is at its core about male domination and female submission through sexual violence, is not just about YOU. It's about the damage done to the females who are in the films and the damage done to ALL females, not to mention the damage done to your female partner and possibly your female children. In fact, this is a post about rape of a female and the desire to watch rape porn! But *I* have to prove the systematic harm to females? And if I don't then 'Missanderrry!' LOL.

When I read the stories of little boys in Australia urinating on little girls in a bathroom, well, I fear for them. It's being considered a public health crisis. Every little girl grows up as sexual prey to males. A simple experiment of asking a group of your female relatives bears it out. At least 2/3rds of them will have been sexually violated by the time they were 15.

Thanks for recognizing the facts Dendrite. I hope this brings out more women to speak plainly. That was my intent from the beginning. I saw a post in the women's forum about how to make this place more welcoming of women. I think being totally blunt about the reality of women's and girl's lives is necessary. I want to be totally upfront and descriptive about the destruction.

Maybe women here might be afraid of speaking so firmly on here? I don't know. I'm If ppl dismiss me as a troll, that's fine. I'll just assume 'denial' and speak to others who aren't offended by the reality of the damage.

 

First, if you're the typical 'guy' and your post represents how men generally think then we women and girls have no chance of living as human beings but are forever condemned as sexual toys for men to abuse, torture and murder. We will forever live as the underclass because ONCE AGAIN, a boner is the be all and end all of the entire universe.

Your post, and the woman hatred it contains, is astounding.

I've never read 50 Shades and I never will. Just b/c a movie is popular doesn't mean women like sexual violence. You're basically condoning rape. You are the reason I speak the way I do, so openly and bluntly about male sexual violence and male violence in general.

Plenty of people love movies about Hiroshima and old war stories (WWII), does this mean they'd love being in a nuclear attack and dream of the pleasure of having their skin melted off and tumours embedded in their bodies? Does it mean Jews are simply ecstatic about having another Hitler that will march them off to the gas chambers? Many Jews MAKE popular movies about the Shoah. Does this mean they're simply biding their time till they can have the thrill of being tortured by Mengele?


And then you have the gall to call the sexual violation of females an 'instinct.'

Every word you've written reminds me that the cries of 'Misandry!!' are pure bluff. It's just a way to never face up to the facts of what I wrote up above as my first response to this thread.

Not only your words, but the lack of serious objection by ANYONE besides me is awfully disturbing.

 

Most of raped women have traumas that won't quit them until they die.
Rape is absolutely not ok, today Porn is acting like it's ok.
Watch the rapist murderer Ted Bundy saying that extreme porn can lead to rape.
You answered clearly,
Thx for this topic really interesting.
We see that your morality takes over but the brain gives in those nasty urges.
Cheers

 

Forget that the porn industry is also for women...
Go to the female section don't generalize like this, females are also addicted to Porn.
It's not by only seeing the flaws in men that you'll solve the problem.
Have you read the second sex from Simon de Beauvoir?

 

You forgot the female raping a male case, in france we have help blog for beaten males.
As feminist only consider male gender violence, I can share you the story of the female that opened the blog about this female violence to male.
She was threathened by other females, was told that the was a threat to feminism.
If feminism is about equality then I am feminist but if it is to bash the other gender then I will get you all the arguments on earth to prove that you're wrong

 

I've been lurking here for a bit before I made that reply on this thread. I've even had another account on here.

When men label me a 'misandrist' I honestly laugh and then I feel pity. Like I said to another user on here, I clearly see an image of a red faced man with his fingers in his ears screaming 'la, la, la, la! I can't hear you!' Yet, they read every word I post and then go full reactionary when everything I've said is absolutely true. The only reason I didn't link all my sources is b/c I wanted the narrative to be impactful, and it was, and it did its job.

Besides, I don't have to link sources when I'm talking about the reality of women's and girls lives. We clearly live in a system that sexually objectifies females. It's a coveting that has resulted in the absolute destruction of ALL our lives as human beings.

When a dude 'not all men's' me I also laugh because it's just another tactic like screaming 'MISANDRY!' It's juvenile and unproductive. Especially when we're on a thread talking about male sexual violence against women where a dude pipes up with his 'theories' about how women love rape cuz they watched a movie.

Astounding.

 

I don't like those nasty theorys too after women liking it.
I don't see many women in my all day life complaining that they are used in as sex object in modern consumer system.
Truth is, when there is a nice women on a product or an advertising the product sells better.
Women became slaves of the consumer society, slaves of modern econmy (porn, prostitution).
Only hobby feminists begin to denounce those things.
Pls don't put us in the same box.
I don't like women as sex objects, I will never justify rape.
I'm against machism but I'm also against men hating feminists.

 

It may be a dangerous line, but it has to be walked if you want to find out the truth. First, let me say that I despise rape and violence towards women. Any and all sexual crimes against women disgust me at a deep level and are abhorrent.

I despise countries where women are still subjugated, mistreated, and kept as second class citizens. I believe in complete equality between men and women as it can best be established in a free, secular society.

In my own life I have read many books on psychology and sexuality in the attempt to deeply understand what motivates human beings in their behavior.

This natural interest of mine has at times led me down a dark path where others have perhaps not yet treaded. However, it does not mean that the facts that lie there are illegitimate.

Growing up I was taught to treat women with respect and this attitude remains with me today. Probably it is the main factor why I did not enjoy as many sexual partners as I would have liked during college. I watched other guys treat women like absolute garbage at parties and get laid because of it. I'm sure many other guys can relate to this and have experienced this in their own lives. Anyway, I digress.

What I am interested in are the scientific aspects of evolution, and how roughly 250,000 years of male sexual aggression has affected, or conditioned, the female psyche to respond to certain behaviors in a positive or negative way. Anyone who has read any history knows that rape has been a persistent phenomenon throughout human evolution. Mass rape, especially during war, is commonplace. Human history is incredibly dark. If you read the book: The Murderer Next Door, it explains that much of the time women had no choice but to submit to a man who just killed her husband.

So I think it is indisputable that such a deep level of conditioning has affected the female psyche in a certain way at a subconscious level over millions of years, not only through the evolution of Homo-sapiens, but also their evolutionary ancestor and their ancestors before them. On a certain level, sex is still rooted in that reptilian brain which has no higher morality, and women get turned on to an extent, subconsciously, by the "bad boy" or sexually aggressive man.

I do believe that on a certain level women perceive sexual aggression as strength. I have seen it over and over at clubs, at parties, and in dealings with women in my own life. The super hot girl will reject your "nice guy" approach, but love it when some drunk idiot throws her against the wall and starts kissing her neck. It's reality.

I think women have a hard time talking about some of their dark fantasies because of judgement from other women and especially from men. The girl I discussed earlier said that to me actually, that she was afraid for a long time what other people would think.

I completely agree with this 100%. There is a massive difference between a woman fantasizing about being raped and actually being raped. My point is simply that many women have these fantasies, whether they feel comfortable talking about them or not. Furthermore, many women like to act out these fantasies either in a BDSM context or another controlled setting because domination scenarios are so sexually exciting to them.

Ask yourself why that is. If being taken by force is really so disgusting to women, why do so many of them enjoy exactly that in the bedroom? Why was 50 shades of grey so phenomenally successful with women despite being a piece of garbage novel? Why do so many women love the show "Game of Thrones", despite the constant depiction of sexual violence and rape? The reason is because they get turned on by these themes.

As you can see by some of the other posts on this thread, even talking about this subject causes people to go off of the emotional deep end. So the women who have these fantasies feel isolated and potentially outcast if they talk about them: condemned by both men and women as being "weird" or "damaged".

Read the book, Women's Sexual Fantasies, that I mentioned. It is outrageous. These are women describing what they fantasize about deep down. That book really opened my eyes.

There are a lot of social justice warriors out there who feel they speak for all women. They don't, just as I do not speak for all men.

I think she was processing a whole range of emotions. Obviously it affected her on a deep level. She was a very intelligent woman and was pursuing her Master's at the time I knew her. Like I said, she told me that she abhorred the physical violence that was used against her, but told me directly that she liked the feeling of being out of control and it caused her to get highly aroused.

More "anecdotes":

A friend of mine was hooking up with this girl for a while. He said the shit she wanted to do was crazy. He said she had rape fantasies and wanted to play games where she would be home alone and he would enter the house pretending to be a burglar and "rape" her. He said she loved it. Again, I am just stating facts. I am not saying it is right or wrong.

I had a girlfriend who said this to me one time: "Sometimes I get this feeling like I want the guy to just hold me against the wall and take what he wants." Another girl I was FWB with described to me a sexual fantasy of being pinned to the ground in a deserted library by a stranger and taken advantage of. That girl lost interest in me because I wouldn't engage in some of the stuff she wanted to do, not because I was pushing it on her.

Again, I believe that after millions of years of being sexually dominated against their will, women's minds have evolved at a subconscious level to respond to thoughts of sexual aggression pleasurably. That in no way justifies actual rape or violence towards women. It is simply an acknowledgment of the evolutionary facts and a recognition of the effect of the past on the present.

Let me clarify again that I am not condoning rape. Rape is a despicable crime and should be severely punished. The trauma caused by rape to the vast majority of victims is completely devastating.

I am simply exploring the issue of sexuality with an open mind and have come across numerous sources and have had girlfriends who are turned on by ideas of rape. This discovery was in direct contradiction to what I believed women liked or were turned on by.

Sexual reproduction is the primary motivator of evolution. So yes, sex can be beautiful and wonderful between two people. That is the highest spiritual manifestation of sex as an act of sacred union and deep connection. But sex is also tangled up in a long and nebulous history of animalistic violence and aggression, where the strongest man took the woman by force, simply because the other, perhaps nicer men, where dead at his hands. "Only the strong survive" is a very real fact where evolution is concerned. So this dark aspect of sex has imprinted itself on the deep layers of the human mind, both within men and women. It's ugly, it's brutal, but it's reality. Sex is not all about candles and roses.

So hopefully I clarified my thoughts about this complicated subject a little bit. Human evolution is very complex and what we would like to think is often not the case. It requires objectivity and a logical mind to find something close to the truth. -SOI

 

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I guess you are right about the prehistoric time.
We were really primitive and evolution is a crazy thing.
I was just shocked on your post from before, with this one I understood that you really condemn it.
I've seen many videos about women talking after being raped: almost all are diminished mentally after.

 

A lot of talk here like rape is exclusive to women. And that porn is a "kind of rape", WTF? I think men are harmed more by porn than women are on average.

Some people in this forum have talked about addictions to femdom porn this thread must just seem bizarre to them. Talk about abusive and nasty stuff.

Also, regular porn isn't depicting women in a submissive role and men as dominant like has been claimed here. A lot of false claims being stated as fact. We have all seen porn and it's mostly just people having sex. Sometimes the women just lie there and sometimes the woman is very active in regular porn. Despite porn being fake, this is a lot like real sex women often mostly just lie there, in fact, they tend to be more dominant sexually in porn than in real life.

All this feminist tripe about rape and persecution is like slave owners in the 1700s crying out about oppression from the slaves they own and seeking sympathy and assistance to improve things for themselves [ the slave owners]

The only reason I replied to this poster here is the off chance that she is just confused and really believes what she is saying. A lot of times though they don't! It's sophistry and a deceitful malicious attack on a group that is disliked. White women are the most privileged group in the entire world this victim crap is sickening.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3260279/Babysitter-sex-11-year-old-escapes-jail.html

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What a bunch of tripe. Has it ever occurred to you that women are conditioned by the environment around them and that environment is about male dominance and female submission? Has it ever once dawned on you that women DON'T genuinely like any of these ritualized heterosexual encounters but were programmed from birth to assume that 'that's the way it is?' Females are taught throughout their entire lives that what they are is prey. You seriously can't figure this out?

I can't believe the mindset of some of you, reaching right for the naturalistic fallacy to justify why rape is such a prevalent act by males against females and then justifying it with 'women like it cuz nature.'

Please.

 

I don't hear a lot of women saying that they are dominated by a patriarcal culture.
What can women do to counter this culture? Any tipps.
Why do the majority of women do nothing to empower themselves?

 

Um...yeah. That was what I was arguing in my post. Did you even read it?

You're being a bit vague here. Which "ritualized heterosexual encounters" are you referring to?

You're generalizing here. It depends where that female lives and what kind of values that society has.

Again it seems you didn't read my post. I was not justifying rape and condemned rape numerous times. The question that we're trying to answer is why some women are sexually excited by thoughts of rape and sexual violence. Whether or not you have these fantasies, many women have them and act them out. As I stated I believe that subconscious conditioning is responsible for this.

 

This discussion isn't constructive.
Good luck to everyone on their personal journey!
Time to go on. Goodbye.

 

Yeah I agree with you Jodo Kus. But I still want to add my 5 cents.

Refering to such a large group of people like 'men' and giving this group some properties isn't it too far-streched thought? There's much more differences between individuals than between the groups of people. Men and women are much more similiar than concrete persons, Bob and Alice. Dividing people into subgroups reminds of 'comunistic' approach, when they define the 'labour' class that's good and 'capitalists' who are evil. And also there's a lot of men who sufferd/died protecting women.