NoFap is silly, and full of bs.

Your post is a bit hard to understand, but I’ll try to dissect what I can.

First, I know for sure porn addiction is a real thing because I have experienced it, it’s so detrimental to my life and causes extreme consequences and I want to quit so bad, but I still continue to use and abuse it. So NoFap is something that can definitely help.

Porn is a super stimulant that released extremely abnormal amounts of dopamine, so it’s is easy to get addicted and yes you can have a withdrawal symptoms.

Gary Wilson first started his studies on the testimonies of many addicts who were struggling and overtime began doing research. You can claim his website and book is all pseudoscience but you are wrong as he has multiple legit citations for everything he writes. Not to mention the thousands of stories of people who experience porn addiction symptoms and recovery and many stories line up from depression to PIED to porn escalation to hyper sexuality etc etc. if you want to call Gary Wilson’s info false, then you would also be calling the thousands of stories on his website of people’s testimonies and addiction/recovery journeys and what they experienced.

 

An elaboration on why is not good would be excellent.
Also P.A.W.S. stands for Post-Acute-Withdrawal-Syndrome.

 

Here's my take: Gary Wilson focused on porn not only as the root of the problem but as the entirety of it. I remember communicating with him at one point regarding masturbation and its ill effects. He basically dismissed my concerns outright and stated that my problems were not because of [excessive] masturbation and frequent orgasms but rather solely due to consumption of pornography. He seemed very linear when coming to what seemed to me like prematurely drawn conclusions. I've watched his talks – including that long YBOP one – but have no interest in reading his book.

My intention is not to disrespect him. I'm sure there are guys out there who he and his work have helped. I just think it's very possible that he managed to avoid the elephant in the room in some way. Masturbation is not as harmless as he seemed to have thought.

 

Your post is the first time I have seen the A in PAWS as addiction. Acute is the word that is actually part of the acronym and all it means is the beginning phase so it doesn't imply it's past addiction, actually the opposite if anything. Where did you read the version with addiction as the A or are you going by memory?

 

Hi Comrade,
NoFap was set up by fallible human beings. Ergo it is imperfect. But IMHO its' merits outweigh its' flaws. I won't clap back at you and suggest you quit NoFap. To do so would be spiteful on my part. However I don't agree with your assertion that "You have not even one, really good, scientific and mature book about porn addiction."

I for one have recommended many useful books and links on this website. I believe these books to be both 'scientific' and 'serious.' I advise you to go through posts and forums and find other members suggestions.


Take care pal!

 

At the same time though, I can assure you, if someone were to masturbate their entire life without porn, they would not have NEARLY the amount of issues that come with masturbation with porn.

I remember my first days masturbating, I did it for a couple years straight, I never escalated, I never felt sad, I never felt depressed, it was always simple and love making fantasies. Then porn got involved and fucked me up severely.

Masturbation is not good… but do not compare porn free masturbation to PMO. If I could change my life and had the option to replace all the PMO sessions I have had in my life with just MO sessions, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Porn caused ALL of my problems, masturbation just led me to porn.

 

First of all, everything here is your experience and purely anecdotal, not factual or strictly applicable to any majority.

Regarding your early days with m and o, without p...
It never escalated, you never felt sad or depressed because enough time hadn't passed. You hadn't yet burned through enough brain cells.

The truth, in my opinion, is that porn exacerbates a real and existing problem. There are reasons that most religions and the oldest branches of medicine all frown down on masturbation and the loss of "essential fluid." High speed internet has only been around so long.

 

Yes and Gary Wilson first began his studies on porn addiction through the anecdotal testimonies.

Like I said, I don’t think masturbation is good either, I’m against both. What I am saying is porn is far worse then just solo masturbation, porn literally works as a drug, it’s a supernormal stimulus, it provides an endless and infinite amount of novelty, and masturbation does not provide anything near the dopamine porn will provide.

Porn causes escalation, PIED, unreal expectations of sex, dopamine overload that leads to depression, anxiety and lack of drive, etc.

Porn is the far worse issue, most people get addicted to masturbated because they are addicted to porn, porn is what is destroying the mind, why do you think it’s so hard for most porn addicts to masturbate without porn or without thinking of porn?

 

I don't know how to answer that last question because what you've described doesn't apply to me. I'm not a porn addict. I simply crave orgasm as a means to get "stress relief." I know it's ironic, all things considered, but that's what it is for me. I doubt that porn is "the far worse issue." My attitude towards porn mirrors your attitude towards masturbation. The important takeaway is that we're in agreement that both are destructive.

 

Yeah we are in agreement.

I wasn’t trying to apply anything to you by the way, just from what I’ve seen and experienced porn is a much more powerful drug. See I’m addicted to pure porn, the dopamine it provides, I can edge for hours just to get dopamine from porn, and orgasm is good and all but it would suck cause it ends the rush of edging and seeking novelty.

We are all different and I respect your situation and that you have identified what’s a problem for you. I don’t know much about orgasm addiction, would you mind educating me a bit on how it started and turned into an addiction? If you don’t wish to, that’s fine, but I’d love to learn.

 

What I bet we're especially in agreement on is how destructive edging is. I attribute most of my problems – physical, mental, emotional – to this ill practice. I'm in my 30s and I've been edging for at least a decade and a half. What a waste of life and time. I know for a fact that my health has suffered big time because of nothing more than edging. All the other factors like lack of sleep and stress are jokes in comparison.

I wouldn't say I have an orgasm addiction either. I just long for the feeling orgasm brings. It's that "peak, the high. I guess that's why I like edging as much as I do. Despite the fact that I know it's horrible for me, I can get that feeling just short of an orgasm several times in a single session. Thankfully I limit actual ejaculation to 2-3 times per week. If that was more frequent, I'd be even more fucked up than I am.

 

Edging is the absolute worse. My edging addiction with porn started because I just wanted to keep watching porn, and that high your talking about when your just at that point of orgasm and are right on the edge… I would do this for hours, I think the longest I edged in 1 session was 6+ hours, and after orgasm, my brain is absolutely fried out.

Lately I’ve been doing a good job in reducing edging though, I simply don’t know how to just orgasm the first time I feel the urge to orgasm, it’s like I HAVE to keep pushing the edge.

The 2 most detrimental things that really put my porn addiction on steroids is the combination of edging and binging.

 

I know all about the fried brain effect. I remember being about 19 or 20 and having very relevant symptoms. At some point, I started experiencing face flushing and really bad anxiety. Calling around to various doctors and therapists was something I did regularly. All of these people would completely dismiss my concerns and suspicions and say that "masturbating and watching porn are normal and healthy activities." Yeah, right...

The younger generations have it especially tough with all the new apps. Not only are they hooked on sex, they're being completely brainwashed and conditioned into accepting a backwards world at the same time. It's really disheartening.