Have you ever been around actual sex workers? I have. For 2 years. I never met one who wanted to be where she was at. Not one. Most were abused, pimped out, drug addicted, completely lost souls that both disgusted me and deeply saddened me. I wouldn’t wish that life on anyone. Of course if you’re their customer, they won’t show you how disgusted they are, or how they truly feel, or talk about the abuse they endured from 4-13 and decided they might as well get paid for it.
What a load of dogshit. There are plenty of people who see the unhealthy habit of using hookers for sex, from Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, agnostics, and secular humanist atheists. You know why? Because it's common sense. Just like it's common sense to know that sex work is not the ideal job, which is why most people who do it are either mentally unstable, abused, on drugs, or being trafficked. Then there are the health risks from being beaten, taken advantage of, and even murdered.
There are also risks of being beaten, taken advantage of, and even murdered in "regular" jobs, too. Do you know how shitty of lives even some non sex workers have? What about people in the military? What about people in World War I who were dug into trenches and forced to rush full speed straight into machine gun fire? What do you think is worse, being a sex worker, or getting an arm ripped off working a construction job? I'm not saying a sex worker is an ideal job, but when you look at all the jobs that exist, a lot of jobs are really shitty.
Keep talking, because you show how ridiculous you sound while trying to appear "enlightened" with your false comparisons. You compared hooking to being a better alternative than regular jobs in your original statement, but now someone actually called out your bs, so now you're walking it back. World War I? Really? Keep digging your trench.
I have been around sex workers only a couple times, very brief interactions. Most people don't want to be at their jobs. Do you think the school janitor enjoys cleaning up the excrement stained on the floor? People are abused every day in the work world, I'd say the sex worker industry is not much different than being abused at a customer service job. They are both really crappy places to be. Sexuality has a special place though in religion, so if a person uses their sexuality to make money it is seen as worse for their soul than if they are working three different jobs over 50 hours a week to support themselves. Both situations are horrible. Why do you think the Creator allows so many women to be sexually abused? It seems like nearly half the women in the world have been molested in some way. It is not even fair to be honest, especially when they are young girls. It is as if things were set up in such a way so that people are forced to undergo extreme suffering. I don't deny that women in the sex worker industry don't like what they do. But there isn't really very many great alternatives for some people. Its have sex for money or work 60 hours a week at a fast food restaurant. Both are pretty bad. Its like having to choose between eating a bowl of human shit or drinking a glass of human piss.
I'm not walking anything back. I am just exploring the topic. YOU are the one who is being hostile. I bring up a different perspective, and you get all mad. All I'm saying is there is this idea that doing sex work is the worst thing in the world. And I am showing examples of situations where sex work is LESS bad than real world work. Also, what about girls who do OnlyFans? Some make ten thousand dollars a month and no man even ever touches them. THIS is what I compare to regular jobs. When I was talking about World War I, I was comparing that to the type of sex workers you are talking about. Like the girls working at brothels or walking the streets at night. But yea, a girl working OnlyFans or having sex in a high end club where they get to pick which guys to have sex with. Yea, honestly, from a purely logical perspective, I think those jobs might be more fulfilling than working a 9-5 jobs. I am not walking anything back, I am just comparing two different types of sex workers. The first type of sex worker is the ones who have OnlyFans, or work at high end clubs where they have a high level of independence. These type of sex workers MIGHT be a better alternative to regular jobs. But then there is the sex workers you are referencing... the ones who are trashy, walking the streets at night, and having sex with any guy who has money. THESE types of sex workers, I'd say its a better alternative than running into machine gun fire in World War I. Two different subtypes of sex worker I am referring to here.
Respect to you for being in the military. Yea but you are a man not a woman. And I am assuming a straight man. Would you rather risk death rushing straight at a machine gun, or have sex with a not so attractive woman while wearing a condom?
The former. The woman could be crawling with disease and turn my stomach to look at. She might smell bad. The list goes on and on. In the military I was more likely to have someone lay down covering fire for me before just wildly running toward a manned machine gun.
For sure, yea I guess it really comes down to being willing to die for your self respect. Because that seems like for some of these women is their only way out... to fight to death to escape the sex worker industry. So yea, if someone is willing to die rather than be a sex worker, then I guess that truly is the way to freedom.
Well that's just it. Lots of women are stuck in that "profession" and I'm sure it's like being in hell for them.
All I'm saying is I'm skeptical that the majority of these women are really suffering that bad. Example: woman does sex work for 3 years, makes a bunch of money. People find out she does sex work. She cries and says she is a "victim". Society then accepts her again. Its a trap from the dark spirits I believe..... We have so much empathy for the very women who co-create pornography videos that we PMO to..... We shouldn't be thinking like this in my opinion.... But do what you'd like, just was offering my perspective on this thread
I'd say those who do pornography are victims too, except those who do the amateur stuff with boyfriends or whatever. Concerning the amateur stuff, I can't understand why people would want to show themselves off naked and doing it and having it end up on the Internet forever. Do they think no one they know (including family) will ever see it?
You learn from failures far more than you learn from victories. Let not these relapses make you lose sight of your problem or the way out. Those 4 relapses should be the stepping stones to getting better. I have struggled with porn for nearly 10 years and relapsed far more times than I can count, but once I recognized that those releases were necessary for my success, it was a roller coaster and nothing could stop me. Look at me now 1 year PMO free with ZERO motivation of going back. But see I have a different mindset now. Back then I thought that I was making a sacrifice by not watching porn anymore, which is some bullsh"t for me now. The reason why I have failed many times is that I thought porn was a source of pleasure and that my life wouldn't be the same without it, and that turned out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. So each time I relapsed, I felt my urges bigger and bigger and frustration started to build. It's easy to quit porn, once you stop giving it the weight that you're giving it right now. It's common amongst those that rely on willpower to think of porn as a sacrifice. So the longer the days away from porn, the more attractive and deprived they feel. But thanks to these many failures, I have been able to meditate and reflect a lot on the core motivation behind my porn use and have found it to be linked to my "Low self-esteem"; See I didn't think much of myself and porn to me was my only option, because I thought I could never have sex or be desired for that matter, which causes me to form an obsession around porn. The following are the 10 Commandments to quit porn, starting from today, and you can believe that. Also, you can check my website Quitfappinglivestrong.com and download your free ebook copy to quit porn. 1- Set your date and time to stop Set a date and time to cease masturbation to porn and carry on as usual right up to the moment you select to stop – Don’t quit cold turkey from day one, as that will make you feel as if you’re depriving yourself of something. You must particularly not think that you’re making a sacrifice. It is vital for optimal recovery. 2- Look forward Remember – you’re not giving up anything because porn did nothing for you. In fact, it only made your life miserable. You get no long-lasting healthy pleasure from it, and it simply kept you in its belly for far too long – a slave to lust. Get it clearly into your mind: you are losing nothing, and you are making remarkable favorable improvements not only in health, energy, and money but also in trust, self-esteem, independence, and, most important of all, in the length and quality of your future sex life. You’ll enjoy being a non-porn user from the moment you go through your last session. 3- Have a final PMO'ing session There’s nothing to sacrifice – you’re getting rid of a heavy burden. Watch your final porn video and make an irreversible promise that you will never watch another video again or view women on the net as sexual objects no matter what happens. This is the most crucial decision you will ever make because the length and quality of your future sex life critically depend on it. What’s more, you know it’s the right choice actually as you make it. You know that you made the correct decision, never even begin to question or doubt that decision, and never let anyone influence or shake you confidence in your own decision. 4- Be cool about the process Your brain will eventually rewire from the effects of porn consumption the more you abstain from porn use, but that doesn’t signify that you will feel utterly miserable because you can’t have another sneak peek. The physical withdrawal is very moderate, and it quickly fades. Take the time to appreciate that you won’t have to deal with any pangs after successfully leaving porn addiction behind you. Slowly but surely, reprogram your mind to function without porn because it can and always could. 5- Don't keep waiting for the moment of revelation Do not try to avoid discussions about porn out of fear that you’ll be influenced to relapse. You must be highly confident that nothing can reverse your decision. Go out and appreciate social events right from the start and do not envy porn viewers; instead, you should pity them. Realize that they will be coveting you because every one of them will be hoping they could be like you: free from the nasty porn dependency. No porn addict wants to see their loved ones PMO’ing which means they desire they hadn’t begun themselves. Recognize that it’s not you who are being deprived, but poor porn consumers are. They’re being denied their mental health, vitality, peace of mind, self-esteem, courage, self-worth, and freedom. If you’re ever questioned about your no PMO lifestyle, just ditch the conversation and don’t even bother explaining the long list of benefits of NOFAP. Do not cast pearls before swine. 6- Think about porn Don’t try to resist thinking about porn – it just doesn’t work. If I say: “Don’t think about a monkey”, the first thing you’ll think about is a monkey? Just make sure that whenever you remember porn, you’re not thinking: “I am craving just one more PMO’ing session right now, but I am deprived” but instead think: “Isn’t is great that I don’t need to waste my valuable time on porn anymore and I have no motivation to do so anymore. I’m a recovered porn addict!” Then you can safely think about porn all you want and you’ll still feel no threat to relapse at all. 7- Don't sneak a peek, not even one Never be fooled into thinking you can “sneak a peek” just one time to get over a stressful life situation. If you do, you’ll end up trapped in no time at all. Never think about it one last time; always think of the clean streak. Don’t compromise your outstanding achievement by dropping your guard down, don’t slack off. Stay vigilant and disciplined. 8- Don't go on a porn diet Do not use porn to quit porn consumption. That will make it more complicated and painful to stop because it’ll enhance the illusion that you’re making a sacrifice. You can’t treat poison with poison. Get through your head that by going on a porn diet, you will keep the cravings alive and constantly suffer and end up very confused. You can’t heal a heroin addict by prescribing fewer doses of the substance that caused the very problem in the first place. 9- Never doubt your decision Get rid of all the porn content and cut all possible ways porn might appear in your life again. You were already a non-porn addict when you finished your last PMO’ing session. In fact, one of the best joys of being porn-free is not having to deal with it anymore. You have put an end to your own self-imposed slavery. 10- Once free, preserve your freedom You will soon recover your lost powers back but be on your guard not to get trapped again. If you ever think of having “Just one last sneak peek,” remember that there is no such thing, so the question you should ask yourself is: “Do I want to throw my great achievement into the dirt only to get back in the trap that I have fought so hard to break free from? a disgraced porn addict again, every day craving those perverse scenes ?” The answer is “No.” Why not? “Because I hated being a porn slave every day – that’s why I decided to better myself in the first place and become normal again.” It’s essential to remind yourself if you slack off and unconsciously drop off your guard. A little reminder every now and then works as a powerful inner suggestion and will do wonders.
But dude, do you want to live your life like those perverted roman emperors, get the hang of yourself so that you can be a better human in the future. This porn thing is the most underrated problem in our today's world, don't take it lightly and put as much distance away from it as you can. It is much better for you.
Porn is bad because it takes away your natural abilities as a man. It is certainly the cause of many of the much experienced and devastating sexual disorders today. And if you think a sexual problem is a joke, it's a whole different subject. Check out how sexual impotence made one of the world's deadliest Russian serial killers, the media wouldn't say it but most people that rely on imagination as fuel to get sexual pleasure to end up having common sexual problems. To break it down as easily as possible "Porn makes you a loser in BED" and I certainly wouldn't wish that upon my wildest enemy.
I agree with alot of what you said. I was talking about porn like having sex like a porn star not watching porn.
I used to read escort forums during my addiction and what I found was that most women on there actually liked their job or at least didn't hate it. The money, the free time, the freedom, the affirmation were all regularly cited as reasons why they enjoy it. Another thing I took from there was that most said they prefer older/unattractive men as customers as it made it easier for them to compartmentalise it in their mind as purely a job. I don't think we as men would have that same mindset. There were still some on there who said they didn't like it but can't get out, often claiming they have no other option. The more cynical side of me would suggest that what they really mean is they have no other option that pays anywhere near as well. If you can make £150 for an hour's work then that puts you well into the top 1% of earners so I can see why that would be hard to give up, even if you didn't enjoy it. A couple of other things I gleaned from there was that most have partners and that they all get tested regularly. I should clarify that I'm in the UK and prostitution is legal here, women work either independently or for "high class" agencies. Street walkers and brothels aren't legal, massage parlours I don't think are technically legal but they generally get overlooked. The main site that these women work from is basically like a cross between facebook and amazon. They have their profile pages and "customers" leave their reviews, the women also do the same so that other workers know that the guy is "safe". A lot of these women also have social media pages. I've never been to an escort by the way, despite the temptation and ease of it it still doesn't sit right with me. That said, I think it's safer for these women(and probably the men too) for it to be legalised/regulated rather than outlawed.
I salute you on being on top of the temptation not to seek out a prostitute. I suggest you keep it that way. And believe be you'll find no pleasure even with the most attractive ones. You'll feel awful after having intercourse and that would possibly throw you away from sex for ages. In my opinion "Sex is better when there is responsibility" in a marriage for instance.
The issue is that porn disconnects your from reality and there’s an endless supply of whatever you want at the click of a button. Sex is great but at some point it can’t compare to endless fantasies. I’ve found that quitting porn has reconnected me not just with sex, but reconnected me with people as a whole.
